Scared of horror films? Happy Death Day is a good place to start off. College slasher turned time paradox horror comedy, Happy Death Day has some unexpected depths to plumb. Join Peter and Jacob as they explore the college party scene, baby face killers, plot twists, alternate endings, and whether or not Denny's is the worst diner chain in North America. Be warned, Jacob introduces us to his dog Clover. Enjoy!
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Scared of horror films? Happy Death Day is a good place to start off. College slasher turned time paradox horror comedy, Happy Death Day has some unexpected depths to plumb. Join Peter and Jacob as they explore the college party scene, baby face killers, plot twists, alternate endings, and whether or not Denny's is the worst diner chain in North America. Be warned, Jacob introduces us to his dog Clover. Enjoy!
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[Music]
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uh hello and welcome back to everyone's favorite podcast gourmet on gore a podcast where two friends discuss a
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horror film for probably longer than the runtime i'm your host peter gorman and with me
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is my good pal jacob how are you jacob wait
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what day is it i don't know uh saturday
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no okay yeah that makes sense that's what we're doing the podcast today exactly
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every week one of us chooses a movie a film in the horror genre each time we do we try to make the next
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film very different from the previous one in this way we can keep stuff fresh for both the listeners at home and for
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ourselves so i warned you jacob i warned you that that we should do a teenager-y
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film because we haven't done one yet for the children you see yeah
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yeah no i think it was a good idea to go from like a you know a fun good movie to this
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well my hand felt forced so i because last time you chose ravenous i
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have no idea what order we're going to release this but that's what it was last and a very enjoyable film it was
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but now it feels like we have to choose something way out so for this week
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dear friends i called the shots please tell everyone what i chose
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happy death day you sound so excited jacob sorry sorry
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happy death day you know even in the trailers it was a little bit like that because they have
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that scene with the the nurse girl like presenting the cupcake cupcake over and over again and just happy death day on
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friday the 13th oh hey you're up happy birthday
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[Music] oh hey you're up happy birthday i'm totally having deja
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vu i've already lived through this day
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he's trying to kill me again again is everything okay
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i have to kill him before he kills me
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happy death day pg-13 hey you know i i kind of like that trailer like even
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though it does the like slowed down creepy version of like a pop song that's
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vaguely related to the uh to the movie yeah so yeah
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oh they still feel like the the new candy man movie still yeah like that had to come out as of the
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recording of this podcast anyway but it's a good trend it is a good trailer it made me laugh it started that
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perhaps dubious downward trend of using a great uh song
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and then using it kind of out of place for the trailer yes dude that's i was just saying i know
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i mean i was just thinking like it made the most sense you know like even with like i've got five on it i mean
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i don't know i guess that had nothing to do with with us no
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that one doesn't count you know and then yeah say my name sort of makes sense but it's funny because
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they can't play like almost any of the song because as soon as it gets into it it like it doesn't you know pertain to candyman at all you
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know when no one sure but i mean like i love
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i forget how that goes yeah uh we also maybe don't want to sing too much of that song hey no if you sing
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it it's totally fine it's only when you play it that it's an issue wait really as far as
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i'll probably be doing that off and on for various things okay okay yeah go again
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go ahead man i'm not going to stop you i think that's that's content baby eventually
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eventually we'll do i want to do like willard and ben and it might just be because i want to sing the ben song so
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you know we'll get to that yeah man i'm supposed to be i'm supposed to be looking forward to the
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future yeah okay so this is our first film that we've watched that is pg-13 or at least
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as far as i know well let me think could the fly 2 have been pg-13 no absolutely not
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no ravenous maybe [Music]
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yeah it feels r to me you know what i'm grabbing this wherever this might be yeah hey
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i'm checking right now yeah uh please stand by
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no r um policy maniac cup yeah it's also yeah this might be i
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guess so oh you looked up everything uh well hold on well let's see
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up the fly the fly too ravenous it's everything unless i have some
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hole in my mind i believe that's it so yeah so so this is the first of the uh well i don't want to say the
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weakest but it's the the least bloody of our entries and definitely the least gooey
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uh yeah i mean not that i think dora pertains to uh how entertaining these movies are so
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i don't think you're ever gonna guess this tagline for this movie so like i just want you to make one up and then
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i'll tell you what it is uh well hey joke's on you man i've got the uh dvd cover right here and it says
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uh includes alternate ending yeah okay
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i don't quite i don't get it but uh you know all right so okay the real tagline
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is uh get up period live your day period
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get killed period again period
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uh lived i repeat yeah i like that movie well apparently michael bay was originally going to do
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this film way back in 2007 he was gonna have megan fox do it i don't remember who made liv die repeat
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was that was that michael bay uh megan fox did not make with therapy
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she was not included in the production of that film okay also i'm going to say this okay
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director doug lyman lehman lyman i'm going to say this too okay this
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movie has two better names really lived i repeat the original
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when i saw it in theater it was called edge of tomorrow oh yeah yeah that's the real name and then it's also based on a japanese
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light novel called all you need is kill which i've read and i i i liked i
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thought i thought it was fun like reading for a light novel was it in
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english in japan i feel like that's the most forgivable way to have something so poorly constructed
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uh yes yeah yeah because i was thinking it's like those t-shirts that tourists get in japan and like maybe china where
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like it'll say english stuff but it won't make sense you know it'll be like pops university yeah there's like i know this isn't
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about this movie but i there's a bit of that back and forth because in the uh in the novel they also end up calling
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the main character something like killer cage because his name is kg and they just
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like shorten it to cage okay i don't know that's it's interesting
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okay well just like the back and forth of like using like english as a japanese person
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and then like transliterating it or whatever as a uh from japanese back to english yeah it's
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it's a bizarre little sub culture thing going on with that i've never entirely understood yeah
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so as we said anyway yeah anyway talking about talking to a happy death day instead of
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the seller movie yeah i feel like you're avoiding it i'm not bitter
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i'm not okay so this is 2017's happy birthday starring a bunch of kids i've
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never heard of have you seen any of these people before i feel like i've seen the
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main actress in something before i guess i could literally just check the internet right now and uh
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well i have the cast list up check it out oh i was about to use her her stage name
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or whatever for this but no her real name is jessica roth oh yeah there you go she wasn't better
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off single i love that movie i've never even heard of that no i haven't seen them at all
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sorry that yeah yeah those jump too i'm knocking about in the park here
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you're betting a thousand all right yeah i'm doing really good thanks man all right
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i uh i haven't seen it also the the young asian man i feel like i've
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seen him in things but i've seen him in something but i could not tell you what it was and i
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i guess i could also look at that but yeah you're referring to the roommate with the bleach blonde hair that keeps
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barging in every morning and saying the best line in the movie yes something about fine vagine i don't remember
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exactly what he says so yeah something like that
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which i think is like weirdly enough the most repeated line on the entire movie i like i didn't
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i didn't check but i feel like it is it might be i don't even think they gave him a name in
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the movies i don't even know check oh huh whatever his name in the movie or just in real
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life i it's named the movie or both oh yeah see i'm looking up the cast list right now and he's not even in
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like the top 10 or whatever yeah like well we're yeah right
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well we'll just let us take that as it is i have seen him in something i could not tell you what it is well i don't know
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there's nothing oh a picture here but there's a man named
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and he plays ryan fan in the movie so that's probably him okay yeah i was
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i was just hitting uh i think i saw him in the show stream twins yeah which uh i thought that i thought
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that was kind of fun i didn't watch the other other season but i watched the first one i liked it apparently he was
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on the tv show preacher and he played a clerk yeah that sounds about right oh and he was a
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prompting number two in logan all these little parts i don't was there
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a problem logan i think that logan you know retired wolverine was driving people around in a limo and he might have been
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one of the jerks in the back seat like yelling oh no yeah okay
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i'll i'll believe it yeah i mean i can't say otherwise okay so had you seen this
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movie before uh no we'll get to ratings at the end of all this but uh would you recommend this
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film um i don't dislike this movie but i do feel
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like a full third of it is just doing nothing for me
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so like okay lukewarm yes like if someone was
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like hey i want to see a horror movie on netflix or whatever i'd be like yeah it's you know not bad
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i think maybe i have a soft spot for this movie i think i would recommend it i like it i mean it is a little flawed but i think
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overall it's fun but yeah we don't need to go into the specifics of that just yet also
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because we got it before we begin in earnest i uh need to open the door and introduce the
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third member of the podcast
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guess what uh a dog is gonna be joining us and uh
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later on in the podcast we're gonna be performing a teleportation experiment so
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let's see how that goes then sometime after that we'll be
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putting him to sleep with chloroform that was a fly to reference everyone i'm not being cruel for no reason
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all right here we go hey i know you dog
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right off the bat [Music]
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so as i've established before in prior podcasts i'm recording um
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jacob's recording from uh wait are you still in san francisco currently change locations yeah
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oh okay yeah just making sure i mean last time i checked you were in san francisco and yeah we hadn't actually
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established that before recording long story short i can't control what his dog does so we're just gonna deal with it
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it's not gonna control this either this is like kind of dropping my hands what's the dog's name
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like clover if you've ever seen uh santa's little helper from uh the
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simpsons it's a good start like a little brown greyhound yeah there
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that's i don't like to be honest man i don't know what forget this in this all right
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i couldn't tell you got into my head but uh yeah she's a sweetheart she'll
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you know you might hear it what you will here hopefully hopefully that's just content
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i guess we'll see listen how many horror podcasts have uh you know well first you've gone
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yeah you're cutie yeah i would give dog in the background
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uh peter was not ready for this oh well no this is just me flipping through notes but yeah uh
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okay so i suppose it is what it is
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okay so uh let's just dive right in uh yes
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okay so essentially for those who haven't seen the movie this is a groundhog day but it's a slasher film
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and then i have to explain groundhog day so you know i'm gonna start with that so groundhog day is a bill murray film it's
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an excellent comedies made comedy made in the 90s in which he's a news reporter reporting
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a groundhog day the dumb american holiday where we guess whether or not a large rodent saw its own shadow possibly
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pretending a longer winter for an unknown reason he keeps reliving the same day over and over again
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i do not feel bad comparing this film to that one because it's even mentioned in happy death day
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so i give this movie credit for openly admitting where they got their inspiration from and honestly it doesn't diminish the film for me uh i
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yeah not to go too far ahead uh look
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the point in the movie where they do reference that was funny to me that was
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there was actually one yeah one of the jet more more it was right near the end yeah more one of the more genuinely
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funny moments yeah okay so
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right off the bat the movie actually starts off pretty fun because the universal logo for the film like rolls
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in and it replaces itself three different times and every time i watch this movie i've watched it a few times
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it always throws me off because i forget about it it messed with me a little bit because
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the first time i tried to watch the movie there was something wrong with the audio and so i i i watched i tried
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watching it again and then uh after just like messing with some stuff and then uh it repeated and i'm like oh
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god is this really like oh okay wait wait no i see i'm right
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yeah it's like when you're listening to something like an album in your car or whatever and it's it it'll like do an
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explosion or a knocking sound or a police siren or a screen no yeah there's like certain
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noises you shouldn't do because it really upsets people you're just like oh oh what's happening you just realized it
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was just some dumb thing on it on an album you know just like oh not the same
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well at least this logo that's the only thing only time they do it and it's only you know right at the beginning so
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yeah well other than the movie itself repeating itself but that's more you know linear and discernible
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yeah so yeah the movie starts with the tolling of a clock tower that awakens a very hungover
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college student this is a college movie her name is tree geldman
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she appears to have passed out in a boy's dorm room he seems polite enough but he's vague on
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the details of a knight the girl tree has clearly forgotten so she assumes the worst and wrestles with her personal
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disgust and self-loathing the boy folded up her pants and put them on the dresser which is kind of weird did he take them
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off he seems pretty timid but who knows i was under the assumption that she had taken them off and he was just being
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nice i think he was he did but it's not clear especially at the beginning you don't
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really know where anyone stands on anything so yeah i mean i guess that's just me like assuming the best of people
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he introduces himself as carter tree requests tylenol for her hangover headache and asks that he tell no one
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about whatever happened on her way out carter's roommate bursts in and asks whether or not he
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hit that save oh she throws carter
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i think he said did you hit that fine vagina something like that yeah i'm carter by the way
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not a word of this to anyone got it
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yeah sure dude you hit that fine vagina
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so she throws carter just a venomous look and proceeds out the door on her technical walk of shame
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i prefer stride of pride myself yeah okay so i i will note something that repeats throughout the
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movie that i find quite bizarre who has a special ringtone for their
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birthday you know i actually know about this ringtone yeah it has a weird way on it and it
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brings shortly after she woke up and it's it has a real stupid thing and i actually
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do remember remember exactly what that says because hey it's your birthday and you better pick up the phone
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and it's i think it was put over the top of a of an r b hits i i don't know which one it
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is so i'm sorry i don't know that but it was created by the production team and it was never supposed to be in the movie
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really but they couldn't figure out what to put in there so so they just had it in there so it's that's almost like when you're making a
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movie you'll just have placeholder sounds and things that you just leave
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just so you know where to put something like a you know an audio cue but the director liked his fake little
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song and so he just left it in even though it doesn't really make sense i mean like
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i think later on her roommate confesses that she actually somehow got into her phone and changed her ringtone to be a
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birthday ringtone uh and i'm just thinking how insane all of that is
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yeah the whole thing is pretty nuts i mean even if you were doing that for yourself you would change it to a
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birthday ringtone just for one day and then you turn it off again i mean i don't know i guess that's kind of
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that's kind of busy you know in the way i live my life yeah you're like all right i gotta turn
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into my new year's ringtone for tomorrow that's just how i was thinking about it is like
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i couldn't i couldn't be bothered come to think of it i wouldn't mind having a ringtone that had seasonal
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variants that would be cool sure but it's either gonna happen automatically or you're doing that for me
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sorry so anyway it's a strange little ringtone she gets
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her dad calls her throughout the movie and she ignores the call every time well almost every time
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and it always has that bizarre little thing and it's just because like i said they didn't put in something better it's
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like a production song i i kind of like it i mean it's really annoying but it's annoying in that way that is a little
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ear wormy like some of those old ringtones use it it doesn't feel inauthentically weird
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it feels like something that you you could hear so tree walks out into the courtyard
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you know after leaving carter's dorm she passes our uh i originally wrote him down as a rocker
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boy who checks her out although i think later on i change i meant that to be a goth boy i don't
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really know it's a guy in dark clothing and he's got sunglasses and you know sorry i'm not sure which click
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affiliation he's sorry rocker boy what is this like cyberpunk 2077
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i haven't played that so i don't know anyway someone's good whatever someone will
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smile with that oh yeah that's not you don't have to explain
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yourself i'm this is my definition i'm just
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yeah i'll just do the captain america thing i understood that reference
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a rocker or possibly goth boy checks her out over his shades then a campus protester asks if she
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wants to sign something to stop global warming then some picnicking students who are
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about to kiss get soaked by an activated sprinkler um and then she passes a red
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suv whose car alarm just goes off notably also trade is uh not sign the
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global warming petition because she she recognizes that global warming is fake
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yeah well i was just thinking like what what what could it possibly be that she's signing that would have any effect on
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anything and and that's not the to poo poo the ecological movement but more just i
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wonder what she presented her with because she doesn't go into specifics she's just like hey you want to end global warming
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i mean i think i mean i guess you you do that with ending hunger and stuff i suppose but you know being more specific
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helps i think i mean i don't want to be cynical man but i don't think that petition's gonna
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be in global warming i mean it's i don't know maybe it's some kind of a carbon capture initiative
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she's gonna send to the senate you know it could be sure i mean i no i know i appreciate your
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your optimism there i just don't know but i mean she seems a little out of it or at least
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early on well i was gonna say early on but this is the same day over and over again so i mean she always seems a little out of it so it's hard to know
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what her motives are when presenting strangers with the petitions but you know honestly this is kind of the college experience people
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are just trying to get you to sign stuff i almost always did just because i thought it was funny yeah i mean that's yeah that's the best
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reason to be honest i was like sure why not do i have to do anything and as long as they say no
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i'm signing it yeah that's fine so yeah she passes an suv the car alarm
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goes off some frat boys are enduring some sort of an initiation ritual and one of the seven collapses right as
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she's going i wanted to also take note of that uh i think one of the signs says like
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26 hours or something like that is the implication there that they're
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supposed to like do their chant for 26 hours yeah they're doing 100 bottles of beer
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on the wall and and he says 26 hours so maybe they actually have been standing there for
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over a day like a full day of just standing there what kind of hell college how's that
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i don't know and you know there are variations for when tree leaves the dorm throughout the
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film i mean this is minor spoilers for shortly ahead but that guy always collapses in front of her no matter what
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which leads me to believe that there's something about her that makes him want to give up on life
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jesus like oh god look at this disheveled girl in her glittery like rave outfit that
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she never changed out of i'm just gonna i think these guys are just being like oppressive [ __ ] or making these poor
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kids go through hell well listen there's a thing in tribal societies where you
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you come together by enduring a mutually painful experience okay
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and uh peter i'm gonna stop you right there we've both stuck our dicks in the
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beehive i have to like go over this again we know how it goes how to be a man in
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society oh yeah okay
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no i what i mean is you know there's like it's a society it's a social no yeah you artificially create it by
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torturing new people i'm not saying i you know go with it or whatever it's very old-timey
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and i don't know that they do it as much as they used to but i think a little bit of public humiliation is more what it's
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about now rather than actual physical torment i suppose so i mean i don't know i was never in a
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frat so you know this is all just speculation but yeah either way it's barbaric yeah
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all right moving on so she almost makes it out of the courtyard when she's confronted by a
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rather handsome fellow who asks her why she never returned his phone calls or texts
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she says she's been busy the fella notices her glittery nightclub outfits and she's still wearing from the night
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before and says yeah i can see that ouch
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i don't know what to tell you man i mean yeah yeah bad things happen
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i don't know i i just thought it was a presumptuous take i mean you know what she can live her best life i you know i'm not gonna judge no no no i i feel
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like it's more on on his hands yeah yeah exactly yeah so yeah she mentions she rather rudely
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mentions that she hated the one and only date that they went on because he took her to a subway for their first date and
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it's not like you have a foot long pretty brutal but also
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and don't don't take okay if you're a little cynical this and you need you need advice
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don't take your date to subway i mean unless you like like once that's like she's like
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into subway then like yep well it should be uh we call it of last resort it should be
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if you're desperate for food and you can't get to somewhere else then maybe go to a subway uh yeah
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but there's almost always a better restaurant next to a subway so maybe just go to the one next door whatever i
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mean i hate to tell you this but like even little caesars man
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like at least no i i i think little caesar's is is on equal levels of badness but just in a different way
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i don't know the grab and go five dollar pizzas we're just ah we're just gonna let these get all warm
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and overcooked just grab whatever i don't care you steal one if you want whatever
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but i don't know what presumptions tree had about what a first date should be but it
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should probably be something other than a shabby make your own sandwich establishment
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that's probably true yeah at least if you're trying to impress someone and so i guess maybe it's
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supposed to show that he didn't really care too much anyway yeah i suppose so or that he just as we'll find out he
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just didn't have the money and that's what she's all about well no
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well maybe we don't actually know that but well no i mean a date should be an event so like you know even just going on a
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walk i mean i guess it's more maybe having subway as a destination it's like almost like going to uh to a denny's
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yeah which is just the lowest of the level oh lord
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i can't i forget were you there the time i went to a denny's and i was really hungry yes
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i think you were yeah that was the last time i ever went to a denny's i wouldn't blame you man it was
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like that was a terrible service that was like like we were there for
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like i don't know what we were waiting for like an hour and a half before they finally brought us food that was that
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was yeah i felt bad because like well also to be clear other people at the table got served
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it took you specifically an hour and a half and you were out of it
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yeah i was super hungover and it was one of those hangovers where like it got progressively worse rather than better
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over time yeah you and so i kept going to the bathroom and i'm one of those guys i really hate growing up so i kept going to the
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bathroom and then not quite being able to get myself to throw up and then went back to the table and just like leaned
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my forehead on the surface and just waited for food yeah i mean that's one of those things where it's like what do
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you even say to someone who's like in that position
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yeah um yeah i just needed some balls for the ballast for the ship as they said
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it was eggs eggs tend to work pretty well for a hangover uh you know it's got good protein and it's a bit absorbent
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i forget what all i think was eggs and sausage and some orange juice just stuff yeah definitely the kind of thing you
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want to wait uh over an hour and a half or yeah
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well the lady took our order and then just disappeared so she must have forgotten the order between the time when she got it and when she went to the
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register i guess i'll say this that [ __ ] never happened to cherries
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sherry's is a local place or at least i think it is i've never seen it anywhere outside of washington state but
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uh yeah it's just a local diner and it's it's one of those up all night places and they serve you pies and it's it's
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nice it's like a nicer nicer denny's yeah now i i think i have seen it
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in oregon but here i'm gonna i'm gonna look it up
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because this is really important for our our podcast about a [ __ ] no we're we're
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absolutely on track to make this a four-hour long podcast let's go
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yeah ah let's see 200 miles no i'm gonna go 500 mile
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radius find locations oh my god their website sucks
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okay so they have wait let me zoom in they have a couple in wyoming and
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there's one in idaho and really this is all they're showing me for some reason so like
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they're not even showing the ones in our state wow whatever or my state so i know there's a couple there's one
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in nebraska one in wyoming one in idaho and i know there's at least one in washington
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so whatever specific to our area but anyway every place on earth has a nice little diner
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and they often have those display cases full of pie slices and this is our version of that
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yeah and so given a choice i will always choose that over these
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i think i might have a permanent lifelong ban on them now it's because of how unpleasant that was for me i they were never
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i don't think they were good enough to like justify going back at that point
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yeah back to the movie at hand yes okay so the tree tries to sneak in at
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the sorority she walks past one of her sorority sisters a vietnamese girl who politely
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waves hello as she arrives and is rudely ignored okay peter i'm gonna ask
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potentially a rude question how do you know that she is specifically vietnamese
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i didn't but i had the captions on and and she was listening to vietnamese music so okay so i guess
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she might not be vietnamese and she's just listening to something that is yeah i guess that's okay no
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i was just curious that makes sense to me sure i guess i don't i don't i can't prove it
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okay so an asian girl and she's got i don't know i'm not saying go blonde hair i'm telling you to go back on it i'm just
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saying that i i had no clue what information you're working off of
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yeah yeah but no but i was just also thinking i am puzzled by her hair just
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because it's really blonde and i i'm almost wondering if she's wearing a wig or if she just really had to bleach her
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hair like a lot uh i imagine she just bleached her hair i feel like that's that kind of sorority
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as we'll see yeah some upcoming scenes yeah so as she's as trees trying to
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sneak into the sorority house her house her sorority house leader danielle immediately catches her and she runs up
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in her yoga pants and is and asks who was it and then hope's allowed that
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you know after tree says nobody that she says well i hope nobody used a condom
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yikes what a morning okay so that was something i also i took note of
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i've never been in a sorority so i can't say one way or the other but like do you think sorority sisters would really
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give that thing of a [ __ ] over who you had sex with i don't know um maybe
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but it might just be it's like a mutual loathing thing because throughout the rest of the movie danielle and laurie or
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not lori uh tree all sort of lust after the same men or at least they seem to be actively
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competing for similar targets yeah i guess i guess that might be more it
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just that struck me is very weird i like her positioning in the house they
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don't show it but i can assume it because she's wearing yoga pants so what i'm thinking is danielle is facing
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the door to the sorority so that as soon as anyone enters she sees and is able to
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address them this helps actually fix continuity errors later in the movie because she
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comes in at slightly different times but danielle always catches her and i think it's because she's literally looking at
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the door you know like the whole time uh that makes sense yeah or at least i like that see that's
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the thing i actually appreciate the movie not not even always so much for the story itself but just for the attention to continuity i really enjoy
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things like that yeah i'd say the movie is pretty good about that i have
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an issue or two but they aren't quite relevant just yet yeah we'll get to them
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so yeah so tree wanders upstairs oh danielle warns her that there's gonna be a meeting later at
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least i think that happens on the stairwell so a tree goes up to her room her
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roommate is laurie her name is lori spangler actually i found out later she's some kind of a pre-med nurse and a
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tree asks if she embarrassed herself the night before and lori tells her that she danced on a
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table started two fights barfed pretzel chunks at the bar
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and rammed her tongue down nick sims throat right in front of sorority leader danielle
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but lori assures her that danielle was too drunk to remember that was that right good i guess
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i mean that implies that daniel has a thing for nick sims which actually does sort of come up later
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but the order in which those events are placed is great because she says she she she barfed pretzel chunks at the bar
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and then she rammed her tongue down nick sim's throat so did she make out with nick sims after she vomited um
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i i do like to assume that all of those events happened boom boom boom one after the other
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really fast yeah it's possible and you know as you find out later about
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nick sims i don't think he wouldn't mind it that much
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okay so tree realizes she's late for class ignores her pile of mail and gets ready to leave when her her roommate
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laurie surprises her with a cupcake for her birthday it only has a single candle in it
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lori had to look at tree's driver's license to know when her birthday was because tree specifically asks lori
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about this like how did you know and then lori also mentions that she changed the ringer of her phone
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what a sneak yeah that is weird it like yeah i mean immediately there
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were weird little things right off the bat immediately yeah she's weird
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so tree blows out the candle and just straight up tosses the cupcake in the trash
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and says sorry too many carbs toodles
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this is a minor point but i just like it there's a silly sounding sound effect for when tree enters a college class
37:46
already in session it's like the the wilhelm scream you know it's it's it's the creaky gate
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opening sound effect that's been used in thousands of things and films and tv and once you've heard it you will never
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unhear it i that's weird i i feel like i feel like i'm usually keyed into that kind of
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thing and i didn't notice it locomotive response in the subject shows an acceleration across quantum plane
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it really doesn't matter but ultimately yeah it's just one of those things i noticed as she's sneaking into
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i don't know what it is like a physics class or something something she really has no business being in because she clearly has no interest
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yeah well i guess i can't say that she doesn't appear to have it yeah first of all a little presumptuous uh
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second it does seem to be i'm sorry some kind of science class yeah well i don't know i mean it's it's
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not just that she seems disinterested but it's also that she's late for the class and didn't well she cared a little
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bit but not a whole lot it seems like this is a common thing that happens okay later outside a man gives some
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really lackluster pitch selling university gear for the big game
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and he just says ten percent off with your school id
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and it really doesn't come up very much later in the movie because it's only it only pertains to the scene in which the
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sorority girls are having their their house meeting out in so i think you only hear it two or three
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times in the movie i just expressed a little bit of sadness that they didn't use it more just because i liked how
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terribly the guy delivered the line you know yeah he's selling football merch at a college
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you would think that he would be super excited or at least you know you could pretend a little bit yeah
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i guess i know i've never been to college i don't know like how exciting are people on the campus
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specifically for that kind of thing well you know actually come to think of it most of the college merch stores are
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usually semi-abandoned it's usually that part of the store is pretty lackluster maybe the guy would be low energy you
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know maybe i'm being too hard on the guy yeah college teams tend to suck so yeah hard to say
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yeah i mean for one thing their team is the bayfield babies which is like the worst mascot yeah i did want to mention
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that why is there mascot a baby
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i mean there there's reasons but it's more just because they like the mask design rather than you know that it makes sense in the for ecology
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i did like there was a mullet where i was just like
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obviously admire spoilers it's for the mask yeah how'd they decide on the mask
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well i i do actually have a story about that too do you mean like the people who made the movie or do you mean the college and the fiction no no i mean
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like what is the real world decision that made them decide to name the college after babies earlier or make the
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mascot okay so the guy who designed the mask is tony gardner he made the scream masks
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for all of the scream movies yeah and they designed two different masks for this film you know two hypothetical
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masks and one of them was a pig mask and the other one was a baby mask
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and the director said he thought it was an interesting idea because he was having a child and i think he had some
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tension about possibly like you know being a dad you know and you know how that would be scary
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which i don't know how that relates to the movie but i i appreciate the randomness of it so they they tested the
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effectiveness of the masks by putting them on and surprising people crew members you know around the set
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so they were able to frighten more people with the baby mask than the the pig mask
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and so they just went with that okay you know that makes sense sure
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i guess it's not a terribly like exciting story i just thought it's funny that they tried it out i'm just thinking of all those times you'd be like all
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right well here's the office before oh jesus what is a stupid baby mask yeah
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i don't think that would be an experiment i'd be happy to be a part of hey uh yeah i got you that coffee you
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wanted oh god oh oh it's just a stupid baby mask all right yeah
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you asked yeah but i'm but i'm glad it was done just not to me
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i know i mean and honestly i love it as like a as a bad mascot i mean it makes no sense nobody would ever
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intentionally make themselves a baby yeah but just the fact that somebody did for some reason is pretty incredible
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okay so yeah the sorority sisters for trees sorority are having an outdoor meeting
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and and danielle says that the special needs art fair really freaked her out
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okay so they're not going to do that i do appreciate the consistent through line of like all
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these sorority sisters save for like two or three of them just being awful
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oh man i have so much fun with danielle's character she's cruel but also sort of i don't
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really call it you know insightful in a way i guess the actress's name is rachel matthews i don't know if she's done
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anything else but yeah and also honestly i think the actress did a really good job as well i mean i don't actually
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actively hate her as much as maybe i should she almost seems relatable despite how unpleasant she is throughout the whole
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movie i i i think i get that but i mean that doesn't change my conclusion
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she is quite awful oh yeah she definitely is so yeah case in point uh one of the
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sisters arrives with a fairly ordinary looking meal which gets the sorority leader danielle
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all bent out of shape she says is that chocolate milk i see
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yeah i don't know it just seemed like such a weird thing to like she didn't even ask like what percentage of fat was in that milk it's just the fact that it
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was chocolate milk at all you know just like oh my god yeah although that did make me think when was the last time you ever had chocolate milk
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it's been a while not since uh school like
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not since like grade school or something no wait i i've had it a few times after that sometimes you can buy them in individual
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bottles at grocery stores yeah but i've regretted it almost every time i bought it that way because it is too
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thick and too sugary yeah that's the thing it's like it's a little kitty yeah yeah
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or at least it's it's hard i mean and it feels like it coats your throat especially the the fattier versions of it
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as a kid you like it or at least i liked it because it helps cover up the flavor of the fact you're drinking milk
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yeah choices were limited back then and so that's all you had you know it was either regular milk or chocolate milk
44:38
so tree to her detriment she actually joins in mocking her sorority sister
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the poor girl says she missed breakfast and then danielle says what even is breakfast becky
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so she gets so she gets up to leave in shame i suppose and bowls right into carter who gets chocolate milk dumped
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all over him because the chocolate milk is in a weird open cup i don't i've never seen chocolate milk served that
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way some of it gets on tree because she's sitting near by
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she is furious she denies knowing carter he returns something to her a little piece of
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jewelry she levels a devastating hurtful look at him
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until he finally leaves it's weird it's it's a wordless scene or at least that part of it but that is
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almost one of my favorite parts is just how awful tree is at the beginning of the movie where it's like she just
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levels so much hatred in her glance at him until he just sort of backs away he's
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like all right i'm sorry i'm leaving yeah i do think that's interesting that
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like it feels like there's a fairly organic change within her over the course of the movie
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yeah no it's it i think one of the more compelling things about the film is just the fact that there is a pretty effective character yeah
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once you know that that's what's happening it makes the movie great the first time i saw this movie i hated it
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because i thought she was gonna be the same for the whole thing so i'm just like oh my god she's the worst
46:08
yeah like why is she the main character no yeah i can see that being like i
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guess if you're more like a more reactionary movie viewer that being the more like something that would like really stick
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out to you yeah it's just it's not much to look forward to when you when you know the
46:25
main character is going to be gross and unpleasant for a whole movie yeah yeah there's a lot of old horror movies that
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did that terrible trope that i i'm so glad they got rid of or at least mostly where they they make you hate characters
46:37
just so that you celebrate when they die i mean i understand that view to a certain extent but i always prefer
46:45
caring about someone a bit and then having them die and having a little shameful joy about
46:50
it yeah definitely i don't know if i want to feel super bad each time but you should always see the common humanity in
46:57
everyone anyway yeah i just don't like seeing the seams i suppose you know when they don't even
47:02
bother to try to make someone seem approachable you know or you you introduce a homeless character just so
47:07
they can be stabbed by jason first you know that sort of a thing sure like oh thanks guys
47:14
i'm sure that person had a hard life you remember that girl who was on the side of the road with a banana and she
47:19
squeezes it when she dies i bet she was having she probably had a real hard life up
47:25
until that moment you just had to make fun of her at the end
47:30
okay tree goes to visit a hospital and it doesn't make sense why at first
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she gets a call from her dad which she ignores which is pretty brutal
47:42
tree then runs into her roommate lori the pre-med at the hospital professing that she thought that laurie was only
47:49
working nights which is to say she didn't expect to see her there and is a little annoyed now
47:54
that she has lori knows she's sneaking around and warns her that it could have pretty bad
48:00
consequences tree don't care you're right
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you know i know it's none of my business but there'll be some consequences if you keep sneaking around
48:11
and she's just like yeah it is none of your business peace out
48:16
tree passes through a hall in the hospital further down it a cop is guarding a door at the end of the hall this doesn't matter at all now but it
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will sometime later because apparently there's a murderer inside but they don't mention that at this
48:29
point a bit of a spoiler to be honest i guess i realize all of these details are kind
48:34
of pedantic but it bears out later yeah yeah unfortunately this is that sort of movie
48:40
because when you're you're doing a scene over and over again all these little things make a difference because then
48:45
they subtly change each time they do it you know exactly so tree sneaks into her professor's
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office he also works at the hospital it seems he comes in all flustered saying he doesn't have time at the moment tree
48:57
makes a pretty aggressive move she blocks the door with a chair and someone knocks at the door
49:03
as they're kissing it's his wife ah good job man
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so at this point in the movie you thoroughly dislike i mean right yes
49:15
and i will say that i appreciate that she's enough of an [ __ ] to different
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people that even though you know maybe don't know what the deal is with the movie yet
49:30
you have in mind the idea that multiple people have justification
49:36
flimsy or not to kill this college girl
49:42
to kill this girl yeah absolutely it's sort of like the
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beginning of old boy where he's just so unpleasant that later
49:52
on when he's locked up for whatever ten years yeah you just like yeah i could see that
49:59
yeah somebody would do that like maybe that extreme but i i know that's a good comparison i like
50:06
it a lot i could see tree getting locked up in a basement for 14 years
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at this point so we cut back to the sorority house tree is painting her toenails and watching a
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show called teen moms 2. i don't know if this is a real show but it looks uh
50:26
yeah that sounds like a thing that's real like teen moms show yeah i imagine the second season is teen
50:33
moms soon against teen moms too the legend of teen mom yes
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teen moms three your teen mom is a werewolf yeah die teen moms die
50:48
there you go that's a dark man reference okay so it is 1 000 the kind of a show that you
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would watch so it makes perfect sense sorority leader danielle walks in wearing trees top ha ha treetop this is
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just something i wrote to myself man danielle stole it without really asking
51:09
and says it looks better on her than it does on tree great i mean she's not wrong but uh go
51:15
on you know so yeah i mean it did look pretty good on her but i don't have the comparison sure no yeah and that was very presumptuous yeah
51:22
honestly so daniel asks when tree is going to the party
51:27
i don't know if this party was ever mentioned before in the in the show but it's just i guess it's college so there's always
51:33
some kind of a party yeah tree says only that it'll be later
51:38
and then the power briefly goes out and uh danielle says our tuition dollars at work
51:43
as if the college has something to do with the management of power in her state or whatever i know maybe it does i
51:51
don't think campuses usually run power plants is what i'm getting yet yeah i mean that seems like a bad idea
51:57
what if they did though like it was all windmills or something you sure
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i mean i went to uh when i was in nebraska in law school
52:08
they had an experimental vertical windmill there or not windmill what do you call it a wind turbine and it never
52:14
worked it was always just standing there all broken that's that's a bit of a bummer to be honest
52:21
it is because it's one of those things that was you know symbolic for the future or you know or whatever the symbolism was supposed to be and then
52:28
it's just standing there all broken so it's also like a symbolism for the folly of men
52:33
i suppose this is your future yeah
52:38
so later on in the night tree is walking somewhere in the dark presumably to the party she's listening
52:44
to a voicemail of her disappointed father who's very angry that she did not show up to their birthday dinner
52:52
and it was a really sad voicemail to hear even just a piece of it yeah i waited there for over an hour i can't
53:00
believe you did this to me people be nice to your parents yeah seriously
53:05
a crowd of baby-faced sports fans walks past her going the other way be clear
53:11
and i only say that because they're literally wearing yeah like just so we're entirely clear on
53:17
that they are not young looking they are wearing baby face masks
53:23
and they might be young looking but over those young looking faces are baby masks yes and just to describe the mask it's a
53:30
big cartoon baby face so it's got kind of a round forehead and two round cheeks
53:36
it's got like a single huge tooth that kind of goes off to the side like in a little small smiling mouth kind of like
53:42
has kind of a hillbilly look and then it's got two slightly offset almost cross-eyed looking eyes yeah
53:50
and you know i actually think it's a good look it's unsettling i don't think it would be a good mascot but you know
53:56
that's neither here nor there it's a nice iconic slasher mask
54:01
you see so many shitty ones so it's nice to see one that's like yeah
54:06
that's good that's no uh chrome the chrome skull guy with the knife
54:13
that one looks that one looks bad i don't like it i don't know movie that's from i've seen the uh
54:18
or the the one from i was gonna say sinister but no what was the one what was the other movie that was like
54:23
sinister but wasn't it was ah it doesn't matter they all have stupid looking yes
54:29
you gotta work at it well yeah yeah i mean that's not like a slasher but it
54:34
is like it might as well be because this looks like a guy from slipknot
54:40
yeah okay just so we're clear this is a uh yeah an anti-bagool podcast
54:47
yeah i suppose it is even just the name just is just think 88 is actually very
54:52
funny you you've got it you've got a bad case of a goal against that's kind of the
54:58
goal you're going to deal with you got you're going to have to fumigate
55:05
this this crowd of sports fans walks past her but one turns as if to follow her and watches her as she walks away
55:15
yeah spooky man there's a shot of her walking down some stone steps down into some kind of a
55:21
civilian like walking tunnel that is actually a really beautiful shot it is yeah i noticed that yeah
55:28
i think they're trying to draw attention to that scene because it's rather pivotal in that it's a place where she
55:34
dies sometimes you know minor spoiler for the scenes well it's also i mean
55:39
i mean like more specifically it's also where the movie makes that turn yeah where you're not sure what kind of
55:45
a movie it is until you hit this moment and that's when you realize that she's passing into some kind of an
55:51
uncertain place you know a slasher state of mind yeah
55:56
there's a music box playing in the middle of the i can't i'm just gonna i'm gonna call it the civilian tunnel i
56:02
don't know what you actually call it pedestrian yeah it's a passion it's a tunnel it's a tunnel
56:09
you can't say you can't say it's not well i know it's a tunnel but what i mean is like i don't know why it's a
56:14
tunnel like is it under a railroad that could be it or maybe a building and it has to
56:21
get a walkway underneath it there's got to be a reason why they dug a hole in the ground you know they go from one
56:26
place to another well i suppose we'll have to save that uh speculation for uh
56:32
the sequel happy death day to you or they will explain this surely yeah
56:38
i need to look into whether or not that movie is enough of a horror film to justify us watching it
56:44
i don't know i hear it's more sci-fi so i'm not sure that is not i've never seen it so i don't
56:50
know that's not making me feel confident well i i hear there's like a time
56:55
machine or an energy field hey man i don't necessarily need to know what's going on
57:01
that's just what little i gleaned from a trailer i saw like years ago okay about a year ago because that's when the
57:06
movie came out okay peter i haven't seen the movie and i haven't seen the trailer
57:12
so just saying okay all right don't spoil this
57:19
the movie released in 2017 or whatever with with speculation
57:25
that's all it is i literally have no idea anyway yeah yeah the tunnel let's get that
57:32
that's all the feel it's just the feeling i got okay anyway there's a creepy music box playing happy
57:38
birthday in this in the civilian tunnel so tree thinks someone is playing a joke on her and goes to pick it up yeah would
57:43
you have sever would you so that you forgot yeah i think we're
57:49
we're both kind of going to touch on the same point which is that uh i just don't think i'd touch
57:56
the creepy wind-up music box yeah i was about to ask that i was like
58:01
would you ever assume that a nighttime music box was part of a fun gag
58:07
yeah no i would just because i just i can't imagine yeah i i would i would actually just
58:13
assume that someone is like trying to uh to kill me at that point and like maybe
58:19
even if it was a fun gag even if you had a lot of reasons to believe it was you could still be like listen i got
58:25
weirded out by your creepy music box so i just ran the other way yeah and they might curse you for a coward but at
58:31
least you know you'll be alive yeah i gotta say it's just there there's
58:36
no reason to do it what like what's the benefit yeah so she hears a noise behind her and
58:43
turns to see a person in a hooded sweatshirt wearing one of those hideous baby masks
58:50
she talks to the masked person asks who they are and what they want she gets nothing back
58:56
it has a really creepy score for the baby it seems like its own little light motif yeah where it plays kind of a
59:02
strange little money sound which is pretty i will say referring to the killer as the baby is maybe uh
59:10
diminishing the threatening nature of the killer i have a lot of different names for it
59:15
sometimes i call him face in my notes sometimes i call him the mysterious baby person
59:21
there you go uh no i like i like the babies various baby face works
59:26
the mysterious the mysterious baby person is uh
59:32
deeply unsettling to me in a way that i can't actually articulate to you
59:38
yeah and the third one i just found i i also wrote it as the baby mask vigilante
59:45
which that sounds a little less than yeah also he's not officially they're not like a vagina
59:51
well yeah it's like they're like heroically killing her i like this babyface killer because
59:59
it's a very understated performance it's not quite a michael myers where you're standing there stock still you know you
1:00:05
might [ __ ] ahead once but it's close you can tell it's like a normal person underneath but they're there for a
1:00:12
specific purpose and so they're not going to respond to you so every time tree asks the babyface person that
1:00:18
killer they're not killer a question just stands there stock still and just creeps her out
1:00:24
i actually thought that was pretty effective sometimes less is more yeah and it's nice to just let a creepy scene
1:00:30
breathe for a moment and just be creepy where you just consider the possibilities of how weird it would be
1:00:36
to be talking to a masked person in the middle of the night tree does get weirded out and she
1:00:41
insists she's about to call the police so the mysterious baby person turns and leaves that's where i wrote it
1:00:47
tree turns to go back to the sorority house she's distracted when the music box starts to play again
1:00:53
when suddenly babyface now with a knife leaps down at her from above the tunnel she tries to run but immediately trips
1:01:00
on a construction sign typical there's that old
1:01:06
when did that start that trope about white girls tripping in horror movies is it specifically white girls you racist
1:01:14
it actually is but i don't know so i mean like
1:01:19
well yeah i don't remember when exactly it began but no yeah it does it seems to be maybe it's just because there's more
1:01:26
white girls running away from people in movies in general so there's just more likelihood of seeing one trip and fall
1:01:31
yeah i mean i feel like i feel like that's how i feel about it i mean there's got to be
1:01:37
only an example i mean like i also want to say plenty of examples but at least like we're looking at proportionally
1:01:43
speaking the amount of asian final girl characters
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personally i i just can't recall ever seeing anyone other than a white girl trip and fall in a horror movie when they're being chased but i don't know i
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i think it's an insulting convention just because it assumes incompetence or at least that's the impression i get
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yeah i feel like unless you do it right it feels kind of lazy to just be like oops
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don't know how to walk anymore well at least she doesn't do that so she doesn't break a heel and fall over or
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something like that it's actually a construction sign and so the director went out of his way to make
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a construction scene that she had to walk through a little bit to get to the tunnel just so that she could turn and
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trip on a sign when she's going back the other way so i mean at least there's that so babyface grabs her hair from behind
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pulls her head back she screams down comes the knife and she wakes up
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as the tolling of the university clock tower bells awoke her once again
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she's in carter's room again she looks very confused carter starts saying all the same things
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to her but this all happened before what's going on
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this time she remembers his name says he's carter before he can introduce himself he seems pathetically pleased by
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that like he smiles like oh yeah you do remember she
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requests tylenol again for the same headache carter can't find the tylenol right away so tree points to
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where it is it's hidden under some clothes because she got it yesterday so carter just accepts that she knows
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this very readily which for some reason is really funny to me it's just the fact that oh yeah you
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know where all my things are you've never been here before i don't know i mean like that would be weird but
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would i even think to question that i don't know maybe not i think maybe afterwards it would be that thing when
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you have a moment to yourself and you're like wait a minute how does she know my name and where everything was yeah
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i heard to say yeah he just seems so nervous and insecure he just accepts that tree
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somehow knows so carter's idiot roommate bursts in to
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ask whether or not he hit the fine vagine tree doesn't react to it this time and
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just walks out in confusion out into the color yeah i'm sorry i'm gonna i'm gonna laugh every time you say that because it
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is funny i don't care what anyone says it's funny line it makes me laugh i'm glad they
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repeat it a lot that guy's role is the best role because that's all he
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does in this stupid movie he just comes in and just says that and she reacts to
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him in slightly different ways just over and over again apparently they filmed that
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that one scene with her in carter's dorm room you know the with the the multiple takes
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they did it over a lightning course of two days of just continuous filming so so they literally just did the the
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scene over and over and over again hey it makes sense with just slightly
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different variants i mean it's a good way to keep continuity yeah i suppose
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where are we oh yeah so the goth boy i'm calling him goth boy now he checks her out again the activist girl again offers
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her a paper to sign to stop global warming the kissing couple on the picnic blanket are again soaked
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the frat pledges are once again endlessly reciting 100 bottles of beer on the wall
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having gotten down to 63 bottles of beer they do mention 26 hours
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there's a guy in a megaphone who's just announcing it so that his stupid business can be everywhere
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26 hours keep going the car alarm goes off on the red suv
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again and the seventh frat pledge collapses in front of her again
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tim the handsome fellow emerges to again confront her for not answering his calls or texts tree asks him what day it is
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he says monday the 18th tree blows past her sorority sister on the outer steps who again smiled and
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waved at her and got nothing that actually is extra funny to me that you get a second chance of the day even
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without understanding and she still does the same mean things she's like ah no i'm still not
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addressing that i will say it's also especially funny what happens later on
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she has done nothing wrong to tree that that we know this
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sweet little asian girl who's sitting on the steps of her sorority out in the sunlight just studying and listening to
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the headphones and just very sweetly smiles and waves and yeah
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she might be one of the nicest people in their surroundings honestly yeah okay so sorority leader danielle catches
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tree sneaking in and again asks who it was i realized that this is only the first repeat and we as an audience are not
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meant to think about it too deeply just yet but it seems to me that tree spent more time lingering in carter's dorm
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room the first time so even though it took her less time there's a lot of confusion the first time
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the first repeat so it would it would only result in a several second difference perhaps
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but once you do a few of those things in a row it becomes several minutes so you just have to imagine that danielle is
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just doing like 20 minutes of workouts she must have been you know just to always be on the on the ball but you
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know granted this is also just a movie so they always want the same things to happen at whenever it whenever she sees it
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regardless of whether or not it would be on the same timeline it's like in a movie when there's a bomb that's going to go off and it's it's counting down
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and you know if you're one of those dorks you can count the seconds when they're not looking at the clock and then looks back
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again hey wait a minute there should only be 15 seconds left yeah it's kind of like that
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and unfortunately this movie begs that sort of an analysis so you know i will be doing some of that you know here and
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there can i hurry fair enough not a whole lot but you know i know this movie's for fun but like but this is how
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i have my fun sure tree tells danielle she's having intense
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deja vu danielle claims deja vu occurs when someone is thinking of you and um
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touching themselves and that she has it like five times a day what a fun character yeah that's neat
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i like that theory tree goes upstairs has a shorter
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conversation with her roommate lori the pre-med and still manages to be late for class
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so maybe she's just always doomed to be late yeah kind of seems that way
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lori offers her the single birthday candle uh muffin again this time oh wait it's a
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cupcake i don't know if there's a difference between a muffin and a cupcake but i should say it's a cupcake i don't want it like i wanted to reel
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things but like there is a difference but it's cupcake yeah i assume cupcakes are sweeter you
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know muffins are a little more mundane maybe okay this time
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are we gonna go into muffin definitions all right this time tree sets sets the the cupcake
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down and leaves without so much as blowing it out which is extra
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tree attends class presumably but it is not shown we next see her zoning out
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during the sorority house meeting it's nice that she attends the second time she doesn't have the heart to help
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danielle publicly humiliate her sorority sister for having a normal-sized meal this time danielle says that that's not
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kappa cuisine yeah i don't know if i mentioned it the first time but tree was mean and did help join in the
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derision the first time but i think after the first time she no longer does that she starts to see that it's really mean
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and thoughtless to just you know be cruel to someone for eating food tree tries to warn carter that he's
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about to get splashed by the chocolate milk but she's a little too slow and it happens again tree again pretends she doesn't know who
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carter is carter again graciously says they only attended a class together last year
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carter apologizes and goes to leave so tree has to stop him and demand the bracelet she knows he has
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he doesn't really question this either like oh yeah of course it's like she just holds her hand out
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and just like yeah give it to me he's like oh yeah you must be reading my mind right now so here's very weird
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yeah so tree goes back to her professor the doctor the doctor professor
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i feel like doctor probably supersedes professor sure i mean it's fun to see both at the same time yeah
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professor doctor this time she only wants medical advice last time she kicked a chair under the
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doorknob for privacy this time she actually locks the bolt on the door so she tries to ask for advice but he
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thinks she's about to declare her love for him and ladies
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it is a funny scene he's just like you can't get all tied up in me and she's like no i'm not i'm not doing that i'm not in love with you
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so yeah she makes it very clear she doesn't feel feel that way and then he initiates some kissing with her
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clearly he's not a very nice person either so his wife shows up again they unlock the door and she gives once again
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just a real sad look to the both of them like she knows what's going on but she can't really say anything
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you know yeah just horrible so later on in the day they're back at
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the sorority house tree watches a video of her and her mother blowing out a candle on a cake a single candle again
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her mother looks nice yeah i don't have anything to add to that
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yeah i know she's just kind of just a little like sad moment i guess or at least you find out later
1:11:28
danielle comes in wearing trees top again tree once again promises she'll attend
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the party later on the power briefly goes out again just like the first time three listens to her dad's angry
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voicemail she ditched out on him again wow i just think he's like
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maybe the first time you're like well listen i was busy i didn't want to think about it but then you have a second chance and you
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still don't go to your dad's thing he's like he's in town so he probably drove to wherever she is
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to go to a restaurant yeah and then she still didn't go i mean also well to be i guess further she is still kind of
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doubting what's going on yeah that's true i guess there's confusion that maybe she doesn't
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know what's happening for sure yeah because i guess even if you were presented with that knowledge you wouldn't really believe it especially
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not the first time you you would just be a very weird yes
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yeah indeed like oh well maybe i'll just sleep through this and you know it'll be different the next day
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tree walks down those same same stone steps to the same civilian tunnel thing and it's still a pretty shot
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again she sees the music box playing happy birthday why did she come back here good
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i'm just thinking like you know she dies maybe she just doesn't want to believe maybe she thought that
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yesterday was a premonition or something yeah but even if that's true i mean wouldn't that be a good excuse to just be like
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you know what maybe i'll do something different yeah in a way i do actually like because it
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almost demonstrates that especially early on she's not a great character because she doesn't even want to take care of herself
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even when she's been warned not even worn i mean she was literally there when something terrible happened
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to her and she still doesn't want to fully heed it or maybe just believe it yeah anyway this time upon seeing the music
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box she turns and flees back up the stairs and makes it all the way to the frat house where the party is uh
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is happening but it is locked she turns away for a moment and when she turns back somebody wearing
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a bayfield baby mask is standing inside the open doorway so she clocks the dude
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which is pretty cool actually nice nick sims oops it's a surprise birthday yeah so
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the guy takes off his mask apparently it's nick sims the man she drunkenly made out with the night
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before well two nights before but i think only literally one night before in the in the overall timeline but not
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in trees timeline yeah danielle is clearly upset when nick sims
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shows more interest in tree oh boo hoo well it's weird because they're talking
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about more than one guy in the same conversation and it just seems weird that they they
1:14:13
both compete for the same people i don't know it's it's an interesting thing because i when you're in college
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there's an assumption that you're gonna experiment and just try things out you know meet people
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it's maybe the most uninhibited that a lot of women are or at least
1:14:31
it seemed that way when i was there i mean i don't know that's like a weird thing to say maybe they they they certainly seem that way
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so maybe there's just a thing about playing the field you know for everybody so there's this thing where
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nick sims smiles at her a tree and and tree smiles back you know even though she's not really that
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interested in him or at least well maybe she is it's not really clear but this is right after danielle is
1:14:54
voicing her insecurity and he was clearly upset like so upset with tree that she storms away and there's just
1:15:01
sort of like well i don't know if i really care about this guy but i think i'm gonna go pursue this anyway
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yeah i suppose in the past you know when it was a guy doing this with multiple women
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it was cool so i mean it shouldn't maybe it shouldn't matter either way i don't think he does but
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yeah i don't know it doesn't matter the movie also does a nice thing for the main
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character where they eventually make all of the competing males unobtainable or unviable
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so that she well she doesn't have to choose carter but you know he just becomes the best choice
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yeah i suppose so it's like reality is just fighting for carter he kind of yeah
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i mean i guess you know you can't begrudge tree for wanting to play around in college no that's what i said i don't know that's what college yeah
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no i don't think i would would regress that that's perfectly normal although i mean in light of everything
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else she's doing including her affair with the doctor who's married and everything else it really doesn't look
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great for her specifically yeah
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yeah so as i said before nick sims wordlessly summons tree upstairs she grins and follows
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nick's room looks like it was interior designed by a 12 year old there's
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there's street signs a jolly roger a blow up doll wearing a sombrero
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sure why not i'm just like who made this room tree finds a rather large mirror for a man's bedroom and touches up her
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hair a little bit i don't mean to besmirch nick sims for having a large mirror i just thought it was odd yeah
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i i get what he's saying as she's looking in the mirror she turns around and there's another hooded baby
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face standing behind her she turns and asks if he'd like to be
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punched in the nose again he says nothing and acts all weird until she takes the mask off
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thank god that would have been a dumb way to die yeah so i'll have to say that i'm just
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thinking like well what if it was anyone else wearing that mask right now and why was he acting so weird about it
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especially after he got punched in the face yeah i mean i guess it's just to make the movie a little spookier i suppose but
1:17:09
it's it's just a remarkably dumb thing for nick sims to have done yeah absolutely yeah so nick pulls out a
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remote and says welcome to the pleasure dome dear lord
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look man can you you know he's living his best yeah him sorry yeah
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he activates some kind of a system a strobe light comes down lights turn on and loud music starts
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playing and then nick has himself a good old solo dance feeling his own vibes yeah just his own
1:17:44
essence and tree just looks vaguely embarrassed while she's standing in front of him he's just like oh okay all right you do
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you tree notices that danielle texted her angrily asking if her and nick were
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together at that moment and while tree is busying herself giving some kind of a lying response
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to text back the real baby face emerges and viciously stabs nick to death
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and i guess she just doesn't notice right away he probably didn't have that coming
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i mean we don't know this man at all yeah i mean he seems like kind of an idiot but i mean yeah it's still a
1:18:20
pretty awful way to die a lot of like gut shots which seem like i don't know if they even would have killed him right away he might have just
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been really hurt maybe they should have called the police yeah
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so tree turns back and thinks nick put the mask on again you know when she sees someone standing there she wants to call
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it quits because danielle is flipping out she notices this baby face has a bloody knife and turns and sees nick
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sprawled dead on the floor well probably dead and they struggle some random drunk frat idiot just
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wanders into nick's bedroom just as she's about to be stabbed on the bed she screams for help and he just salutes and
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hoots horrible yeah
1:19:02
i guess that's kind of just a call back to all those crappy college sex movies you know all those
1:19:08
comedies from the 80s not so nice anymore baby breaks an enormous blue bong that
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nick sims had on the side of his night table and goes to run her through with it and
1:19:20
and she wakes up again to the tolling of the bells the bells
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it must have been such a pain shooting and re-shooting so many similar scenes in the same sets yeah i'm just thinking
1:19:31
like how odd it like all right so this is the third time so you need to be like even more confused than the first two times all
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right so this time she barely speaks to carter before running out of the door which is to say that she spends no time
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the first two times she actually did talk to him for a while but this time she doesn't do any of that she just leaves
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the goth guy is still there to check her out she knocks the paper out of the activists hands
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a simple no thanks would do she says back to her sprinkler soak the picnic the red suv
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car alarm goes off the seventh fret pledge collapses in front of her again tim tries to confront her again
1:20:10
but she tearfully pushes past him oh yeah that's the big difference this time i mean besides not really paying
1:20:15
attention to anyone she's looks super upset and it's just storming past everyone without really talking to
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anybody yeah she gets to her room quickly and lori the pre-med asks her if something is
1:20:26
wrong tree explains how she's already lived the same day twice she knows about the cupcake she knows
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that danielle set up a surprise party for her at the uh the frat house i guess it is
1:20:38
where nick sims was and she knows that somebody will kill her laurie seems surprised by all of this
1:20:44
like wait a minute did somebody tell you about the surprise party and she's like no no
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lori just thinks that tree might be in a bad mental place because of what happened to her mother yeah which is the
1:20:54
first time you hear about that so she skips class and nails boards over her windows which
1:21:01
i think this is maybe my first response i mean here's a question i was thinking of right off the bat
1:21:06
what would you do well it's two separate questions one is what would you do if you had the same day over and over again but then the
1:21:13
more specific question to happy death day is what would you do if you're trapped in the same day where someone's
1:21:18
trying to kill you and i suppose the answer is just to kill that person it wouldn't actually be that
1:21:25
hard because you know like in the same in a safe state in a video game you get to a
1:21:30
part where you die and on at least on the computer you can save the exact moment before you fall
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into a pit or whatever happens and you just keep saving over and over again moving a little further ahead until
1:21:41
you've mastered the movements perfectly so that you know even if you have no idea why something works you do it
1:21:47
perfectly and yeah i guess if you had enough times maybe you don't want to have to keep running through over and over again you
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know your own painful deaths but i mean you could technically just kung-fu your way through any inner
1:21:59
interaction with the killer so long as you discipline yourself to remember what happened the previous time
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over and over again sure yeah i mean i guess the easiest way to figure out who it is is
1:22:13
just to barricade yourself in just to see who could conceivably know where you are and
1:22:19
comfort you if nothing happens like that opens up more possibilities but if
1:22:25
someone comes and attacks you then presumably it narrows down quite a bit
1:22:30
it would be more interesting if she actually did survive on her own and then was brought back to the same day anyway
1:22:37
the movie seems to be on the assumption that she will repeat the same day over and over again until she stops dying
1:22:43
yeah but it would actually be funnier at least to me if she actually i was just thinking
1:22:48
like why not just go out into the park somewhere and just dig a hole in the ground and then just bury yourself and
1:22:55
well i don't mean like literally like just dig a pit and crawl into it and then just put a lump of grass over you
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you know and just wait like nobody's gonna know you're there
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i mean this is a comedy so i wouldn't be surprised if someone just starts watering the lawn and you know and then she drowns or something horrible like
1:23:11
that but but what i was thinking is that you could just hide anywhere just so long as no one knows you've done
1:23:17
it and you would probably survive i mean i guess that'd be a terrible movie though like oh well that was easy
1:23:23
all right yeah i'll just go back to my life having learned nothing i suppose yeah
1:23:29
the answer to that has to be that that can't work because the movie has to happen yeah so i actually prefer the
1:23:36
idea that she would repeat the same day until she caught the killer that way she could survive
1:23:42
but she would be trapped anyway you know i don't know you know that might even be the case in this in this movie it's not clear because she dies
1:23:49
each time so you never really know if she hadn't you know so this is her first determined attempt
1:23:56
to stay alive she pushes furniture against the doors of her dorm room or whatever you call a
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sorority room danielle is talking to her through the doors saying oh you know are you going
1:24:07
to go to the party and she's like probably not the power goes out again
1:24:13
and danielle says are tuition dollars at work tree is finally going to taste that nice looking cupcake when she notices a
1:24:20
stack of mail she had been apparently ignoring for the last two of the same day and she finds a birthday card inside
1:24:27
of one of the the envelopes and it's addressed to her that has a spinning bayfield baby head inside
1:24:34
the card reads have a lucky day enjoy today because there is no tomorrow
1:24:40
and it has a it has a period at the end of the sentence which somehow makes it seem more like a factual sentence rather than
1:24:47
a well wish yeah because there is no samara i mean
1:24:52
granted there's no real way to spin that phrase and have it sound nice that's just insane no yeah oh i almost forgot to mention
1:24:59
that she is watching the same horrible teen mom show again
1:25:06
i was just thinking like you didn't get enough the first time it was maybe she wasn't paying attention i
1:25:11
mean i i know there's there's something to just having tv on as just sort of a noise you know while
1:25:17
you're doing something else and she was painting her toenails the first time so maybe she wasn't paying attention to all the important points about teen mom 2.
1:25:26
yeah yeah so this time she's really gonna nail it down this time you just find out what happened
1:25:32
yeah yeah so her tv blinks on and off a few times she lost the remote she goes looking for
1:25:38
it but it's it's just gone and then she realizes that somebody must have her remote
1:25:44
and this actually might be the creepiest part of the whole movie for me she grabs a hammer and just starts
1:25:49
investigating her own room she's got a bathroom attached to her room which is awesome by the way and
1:25:55
it's genuinely creepy as she goes in there it's dark and abandoned looking as per usual the
1:26:01
bathtub already has the curtain drawn so it looks all creepy in there yeah as he do the tv turns yeah so she's like
1:26:08
she does that thing where she like leans in and she's about to pull back the curtain on the tub when the tv turns on
1:26:14
again so she turns to look at it and the babyface killer emerges and stabs her
1:26:20
through the door and that's that yeah
1:26:26
i mean uh so i'm just thinking the killer had to have known
1:26:31
that she was gonna do that and then just waited in the bathroom for what was probably hours and i'm just
1:26:38
thinking like how lame that must be to be a serial killer sometimes or at least in like a slasher movie
1:26:44
yeah you know like in that movie uh what was it the behind the mask of leslie vernon where they just show you like
1:26:50
what it would actually take to strategically place the dead bodies after you've killed them so that it upsets the last person or being able to
1:26:57
run to different locations and then when you get there stand there or look like you've only just walked there
1:27:02
yeah you know just like weird weird logistical hurdles of being a terrifying killer you know
1:27:08
yeah you definitely you get the impression that these like mess slasher killer types
1:27:16
they're losers basically well maybe it shows a certain dedication maybe an
1:27:21
unhealthy dedication but you know they're already killing people so you know in for a penny in for a pound
1:27:26
yeah so so it's great so this is what is this the third or fourth time i forget
1:27:31
anyway she wakes up once again in carter's room this time she's just hysterical she just gets up screaming
1:27:37
yeah and no longer concerned about explaining herself so
1:27:42
carter follows her out to give her her abandoned clothes and shoes touched by this kindness she hugs him
1:27:49
and asks for help they go to a coffee shop and she explains everything to him carter explains that he didn't take
1:27:55
advantage of her during their fateful night she seems touched by that i guess
1:28:02
wow that really extra nice of you not expected
1:28:08
yeah carter gives some useful advice about using each night she has to investigate
1:28:13
who might be the babyface killer you know she's like that's a terrible idea it's like well
1:28:19
do you have a better one and you know she just gives us the space of resignation like now
1:28:24
i got nothing yeah so they play a fun song and cue the
1:28:31
montage because she writes up a suspect list and it's interesting when you write
1:28:36
something like a list when you're repeating the same day over again because that actually means you have to rewrite the list each day yeah and then
1:28:42
cross out the previous people so the first person she suspects is tim because she was mean to
1:28:50
him oh actually that's something she was talking about to carter where you know carter just asked her
1:28:56
like well okay how many people are mad at you and she was like well you know i was making out with
1:29:02
danielle's you know favored favorite bow i guess nick sims
1:29:07
you know i was mean to various people if she says she spit on a taxi driver who dropped her off
1:29:13
somewhere yeah or it might have been an uber driver i forget but anyway someone who was driving her somewhere
1:29:19
and she's just like i don't know it could be so many people and i was just thinking what kind of a
1:29:24
life she's led where she honestly was just like i'm just mean to everybody so uh it
1:29:29
could be it could be any number of people yeah there was a poll not that long ago
1:29:36
it was like some sort of political poll and it was just asking people how many enemies they have
1:29:42
and they don't say anything more than that about what an enemy is but most people say they have
1:29:48
none like i think it's 40 or so and then there was a smaller percentage said i
1:29:53
think it was around 20 said a few and then there was like i forget what it was about 10 15 said many
1:30:00
i was just like what kind of a life are you leading you just have all these people you're
1:30:05
like you're my enemy now i feel like the people who say that have to be just like
1:30:11
people full of grievances about dumb [ __ ] like yourself i mean i don't want to
1:30:16
pass judgment on people's sad lives but not just thinking like that must suck to always be on your guard that way you're
1:30:23
always thinking there are people out to get you all the time you know but it's like it's like the person who like gets i
1:30:29
don't know banned from trader joe's or some [ __ ] and it's like well now i know i'm enemies with them
1:30:38
yeah maybe so the first person on her suspect list
1:30:44
during the montage is tim she discovers tim is gay she sneaks up
1:30:49
on him and watches through a window as he's about to watch something with with some kleenexes and
1:30:57
uh he's called away for a moment and she sees that it's gay police porn it seems to be yes and
1:31:03
she makes a great face through the window like oh my i
1:31:08
i didn't think you know that because i just may be the funniest reaction you could have for that yeah and then and then she turns around
1:31:15
and it's just immediately stabbed by the babyface killer yeah so i guess whoever it was just
1:31:20
followed her out there she then followed someone named stephanie i don't actually know who that
1:31:25
is for sure apparently on this cast list it was played by someone named
1:31:31
laura clifton i don't know who she is in the movie just one of the sorority sisters i guess yeah
1:31:36
or maybe she's the wife of the doctor it could be that but anyway she follows a woman out to uh
1:31:45
some sort of a party and the woman's walking around acting normal and she's like well okay and taking notes she's
1:31:50
taking notes about her and then the babyface killer tackles her from behind and that tree is i think she's drowned
1:31:57
in a fountain yeah uh you also failed to mention that she was
1:32:02
wearing night vision goggles and uh wearing cake oh yeah and she had fun hair stuff they had a
1:32:08
little thing where she was dyeing her hair and making like fun faces in the mirror i don't know what that has to do with anything i think they just wanted
1:32:14
it to be fun yeah like let's do something silly i in fact i would actually say this sort of
1:32:21
this is where the movie picks up at least for me where it's like instead of stuff happening to her she is
1:32:27
doing things well yeah i mean that's the thing she's starting to activate as an individual
1:32:33
asserting yourself but also just realizing what's important to her and what's not you know and how she can just play with her appearance and you know
1:32:39
and just do whatever she needs to do to get something done yeah growing and expanding as a person
1:32:46
the next person on the list is danielle you know the sorority leader so they're walking together down the
1:32:52
street and danielle accidentally drops a birthday card that looks like the one the tree receives and so tree gets
1:32:58
furious and just tackles her and they get into a rolling fist fight right out into the street and they both look up
1:33:04
just in time to get nailed by a car that was a good one so that's that was a good one
1:33:10
they never really explained that again why it wasn't danielle but she just sort
1:33:16
of gives up on her after that so i don't know i i mean it's almost funnier if she's
1:33:21
if like the meanness is one thing but she like actually did want to wish her a happy birthday maybe she just said it in
1:33:28
a stupid mean way and like the birthday card wasn't a threat yeah she's just so
1:33:33
like socially unaware that she that it would sound ominous something like that yeah i don't
1:33:38
know because there will be no tomorrow yeah i don't know like yeah it just the idea is funny to
1:33:45
me yeah but they never exactly fixed that so i wonder if there was some removed scene or something
1:33:51
so then uh at this point she just does a nude walk just for funsies yeah i just wrote sure why not trailer fodder i
1:33:58
guess it is fun but i was just thinking did she do that all day i mean i wonder if she got murdered while she was
1:34:04
walking around nude at night or something yeah i do wonder how that played out or maybe she just wasted a
1:34:10
day where she's like i'm gonna do a streaking thing and then i'll just i don't know maybe i'll get dressed later and do something else maybe she doesn't
1:34:16
die in that one wouldn't that be weird if that's the way she's like oh man they should have had that b word
1:34:22
like throughout her life she keeps repeating days unless she's walking around naked and she has to keep doing
1:34:27
it like this is so irritating there's a there's a really horny guy
1:34:33
just cursing me tell him about that [Laughter]
1:34:41
okay so she ambushes and then and nails sorority sister becky with a baseball
1:34:47
bat this is the girl who was being teased for having a regular sized
1:34:52
lunch you know at the sorority house meeting and she looks kind of like she's dead or
1:34:58
maybe really badly hurt by that bat so tree puts down the bat and goes to see
1:35:04
if she's okay and babyface comes up from behind takes the bat and bashes her head in with it
1:35:10
and there's actually a really cool transition for when the bat hits her head and it just kind of rolls over to
1:35:15
the side and she falls and the camera follows her until she like lands on a pillow and she's back in carter's dorm
1:35:24
that was actually some pretty good cinematography also my your point that i was thinking of
1:35:31
back to the drowning thing yeah the water repeated back with her yeah it was it
1:35:37
was in her mouth and she spat it out when she reawakened which is a little weird yeah
1:35:43
i mean it's comedy but it plays into another thing that comes up later on i think
1:35:48
well actually it comes up right now that's a funny thing so she so she wakes up yet again after
1:35:54
being hit on the head and she's like oh i really don't feel good and she's talking to carter and just grasping at
1:35:59
her abdomen and just passes out yeah and uh she wakes up in the hospital
1:36:04
carter's there she asks what day it is mainly hoping that she you know slept through the day but he says it's the same day
1:36:11
and dr gregory comes in and gives carter a weird look and then shoots him out just so he can
1:36:18
tell tree that her she has lesions and scar tissue from all kinds of stuff that's happened
1:36:24
to her in the last few days of the same day she says something along the lines of
1:36:30
well you should already be dead which is very strange to me and there's also a certain sadness to that because i don't
1:36:35
think she ever heals from that or at least not maybe not until she recuperates after that one day
1:36:42
but it seems like each day should still be a little weaker than the previous yeah i was i mean i guess this is a good timeless i
1:36:49
need to mention it this doesn't really come up again not a lot i mean it's mentioned once or
1:36:57
twice but yeah for functional reasons it doesn't come up at all yeah it does come
1:37:02
up in the alternate ending which we will get to but not okay not the regular one all right
1:37:08
this also reminds me of the butterfly effect i don't know if you call that ashton kutcher movie
1:37:14
of course he keeps reliving his own childhood and so after a while they're like man your brain is ruined it's like
1:37:19
it's been rewritten over and over again like you've lived like several hundred years of life or something and you just
1:37:26
like yeah whatever like even after he fixes everything later it's you know it's still gonna be a mess up there yeah your brain i'm
1:37:32
sorry it's too wrinkly it's got too much in there man yeah
1:37:39
and in that movie i believe they were even darker than this one where they're just like man this is this is this might kill you
1:37:45
you know too many things yeah no that it's definitely darker in the butterfly effect
1:37:51
yeah dr gregory says that she should already be dead so that that leaves me
1:37:57
uncertain about whether or not she's like a deathless revenant you know maybe she will defy death until she solves her
1:38:04
own murder or maybe it just doesn't matter at all i'm not i'm not positive uh i'm gonna
1:38:10
side with the it doesn't matter at all cam probably so tree she ain't got no time
1:38:17
for this so she asks dr gregory for a soda and while he's gone to getting it for her she just sneaks out yeah a nurse
1:38:24
on watch is reading a romance novel i mean that doesn't matter i just thought it was funny
1:38:29
yeah i noticed that she sneaks into dr gregory's office she's looking for car keys i think but
1:38:35
instead finds a baby face mask yes
1:38:40
she suspects gregory i mean as as you would yeah until he until he appears
1:38:46
and then is stabbed by the real baby face apparently everyone loves these creepy baby masks i mean why else would
1:38:52
he just have it sitting in his desk yeah yes i mean that is a funny scene
1:38:57
for that that moment of like could it be him no like immediately like could he be no oh
1:39:03
he's dead all right never mind yeah tree hides in the hospital parking garage
1:39:09
she unlocks gregory's car but it chirps she's not actually next to the to the car she does that long distance button
1:39:15
push thing yeah and i was just thinking that she was being clever and misdirecting babyface
1:39:20
but then she just runs to the chirping car so it's like oh you just ruined it
1:39:25
yeah she could have she could have just done that and had him go there and then she just went somewhere else you know
1:39:30
just left the parking garage i mean the car does offer a lot of protection yeah well okay that's yeah in her defense it
1:39:37
was a great idea once she actually got in there i mean she gets into the the car she starts it up baby face breaks
1:39:43
the window and chokes her but she puts the car into reverse and that breaks the killer's grip and she
1:39:48
peels out of the parking garage so she got away she actually escaped the killer
1:39:54
yeah movie she starts to celebrate yeah every grader just went the credits
1:40:00
right then and there and then she drove away but her celebration is short-lived
1:40:06
because she's pulled over by the police which i i do appreciate because in a lesser
1:40:12
movie you probably wouldn't have the police factor into this too much
1:40:17
well it's the only way i guess for the movie to just find a way to stop her yeah in an almost truman show way where
1:40:24
there just needs to be an excuse for her to still be near the city limits while stuff is still going down on the
1:40:29
same day so yeah she's pulled over she can't supply her license or registration
1:40:35
because they're dr gregory is not hers she says her license is somewhere else she yammers about being murdered
1:40:42
the cop asks her if she's on drugs and she's just like well okay if i am on drugs will you arrest me and he's like
1:40:49
yeah that's how this works so she's like yeah i'm on drugs i'm on all the drugs
1:40:54
which is that's pretty funny yeah he seems like he doesn't want to have to do the paperwork and so he's just sort of
1:40:59
reluctant he's like well i guess i guess i have to arrest you then you know he handcuffs her puts her in the back of
1:41:05
the police car and then babyface killer comes back again in a car and just nails the cop
1:41:12
tree is trapped in the back seat and so babyface comes and makes a laser well you i would assume it's got the mask on
1:41:18
but anyway stares at her with the mask and she just asks what do you want you know that kind of
1:41:23
yeah i know what you did last summer type moment so babyface you know says nothing as you
1:41:29
do i forget exactly what he does i think he puts a trail of gas
1:41:34
from the gas tank to uh where he's lighting it a ways away just so you can blow up the car
1:41:40
yeah and yeah it's not a bad explosion no but you do wonder i mean how embarrassing would it be for him if the
1:41:46
candle just like failed to ignite the gas oh yeah that's right it was the cupcake
1:41:51
candle yeah that's a it's very symbolic so tree wakes up yet again
1:41:58
to the sound of the tolling bells she reluctantly re-explains the situation to carter carter mentions that
1:42:05
he majors in neurocognition or something that's something like that very
1:42:10
convenient yeah they're sitting at a diner and tree like leans over and has a good long fart in
1:42:16
front of him and while they're eating and it was funnier than it should have been
1:42:22
he just yeah he's just like did you get it all out and she's like well you're not gonna remember any of this anyway
1:42:28
that was more funny than the fart itself yeah it's just yeah why would you even care
1:42:35
she gets a call from her dad on the phone while in front of carter and refuses to answer again
1:42:40
she confides to carter that her mother died three years ago and they were born on the same day she thinks her mom would
1:42:45
be ashamed of who she became who yeah so yeah
1:42:52
i do like her self-awareness it's that's a little heavy yeah but i mean it also shows that she's sort of
1:42:58
reflecting on herself i suppose yeah now that she's had time being trapped in the same day over and over
1:43:06
so tree sees a news report about a serial killer named john toombs
1:43:12
that's spelled t-o-m-b-s the uh
1:43:17
serial killer of the x-files it would uh stretch his limbs yeah or like the place in which you enter
1:43:24
dead bodies i like my version better because it references the x-files
1:43:31
that is a great episode well x-files had a lot of great episodes but yeah that stretchy guy going through the events
1:43:37
was really creepy so tom's apparently killed six female victims
1:43:42
uh and is currently being held at you know such and such hospital it's the one that she's been at over and over again
1:43:48
so tree goes to the hospital where tombs is recuperating and grabs a fire axe
1:43:54
she finds a dead security guard a hooded baby face shoots a gun at her knocking the fire axe out of her hands i don't
1:44:00
know how it did that but it does i the hell of a shot i think it's spanged off of the the
1:44:05
blade and it just frightened her so she dropped it i guess i yeah that's what i was sort of that
1:44:11
that's kind of how i figured it went yeah the mask comes off its tombs underneath he goes to shoot her
1:44:18
carter appears and tackles tombs from the side you know he didn't see him approaching tombs kills carter tree runs
1:44:26
tree manages to ambush tombs with the crowbar and bests him and is about to finish him
1:44:31
and break the cycle once and for all or so she thinks when she realizes that that would doom poor carter who died protecting her
1:44:39
and so in like the most selfless act i've ever seen her dues up to this point she uh hangs herself in the clock tower
1:44:45
this in particular got me thinking about the way that time works in this movie
1:44:51
yeah where i wonder if each individual day that she wakes up
1:44:58
like the day she dies is like its own world and it keeps living on past that
1:45:03
yeah people you mean like each one is a different branch yeah
1:45:08
because that would be weird to just live in the in that reality right yeah it's like yeah see you soon and then she just like
1:45:16
hangs herself in front of him like how do you even react to that yeah and tom's just like this is the weirdest day of my
1:45:23
entire life and i'm a serial killer yeah i mean i like no i mean seriously how do
1:45:28
you react to someone saying that and then hanging themselves in front of you yes
1:45:34
see you soon i feel all right i feel like that would
1:45:39
really be my day to be honest i i was i was gonna do something else
1:45:44
but i mean that this works too she wakes up and hugs carter she's happy
1:45:51
for how valiant he was in the hospital yeah on her way out of the room she spanks the
1:45:57
roommate who asks about the the fine vagine yeah uh he was probably pretty into that to be
1:46:03
honest he seems shocked and it's great yeah he steals the or she steals the goth guy's sunglasses as he walks by
1:46:10
signs the activists global warming thingy warns the kissing couple about the sprinkler lays a pillow under the
1:46:17
falling frat boy she confronts tim about how he should be proud to be who he is
1:46:22
you know because she knows he's not really into girls yeah i mean that's uh that's definitely how that works
1:46:29
yeah just like hey hey dude just uh you know i know you're kind of positive
1:46:35
but like uh be gay yeah man just just be your best self man
1:46:40
she actually waves hi to the vietnamese sorority girl on the outer steps so yeah
1:46:45
that's that's a big move for her when danielle confronts her at the foot of the sorority stare
1:46:52
tree proudly says that the guy she was out with was a boy named carter and that if she ever gets out of this day she'll
1:46:59
have his babies which i guess is kind of sweet yeah i mean she doesn't actually still know
1:47:04
him that well she's had several good days of talking to him but i mean not about like their hopes and dreams or whatever i guess she knows that he's
1:47:11
nice and it's probably the nicest guy she's ever been out with but that's just not saying much i mean it seems like our standards are really bad i mean i feel
1:47:18
like at some point it's sort of like the guy dies that many times for you and
1:47:23
helps you out that many times like he's gotta have some good qualities i suppose or if nothing else you know
1:47:30
he's got your back so yeah yeah so tree apologizes to her pre-med
1:47:36
roommate lori for how awful of a roommate she has been
1:47:41
tree breaks it off with dr gregory at the hospital he says i'm not gonna just give you an a
1:47:47
now you know i guess she was sleeping with him to help do that and she's just like i've already dropped your class
1:47:54
so you know that was cool yeah good for her she uh arrives late to the
1:47:59
kappa sorority mandatory meeting i finally wrote kappa because i didn't even know what the sorority was called until about this point in the film yeah
1:48:07
she comes with a ton of food on a plate danielle tries to give her crap and she just throws food at her and pours
1:48:13
becky's chocolate milk all over her head which is pretty awesome carter shows up to deliver the bracelet
1:48:19
and tree embraces him with a kiss she asks if he'll do something with her later that night to celebrate her
1:48:24
birthday carter sheepishly says yes and the other sorority girls look like they
1:48:30
want to stand up and clap it remind me like the end of like dirty
1:48:37
dancing or something like the time of my life
1:48:44
yeah so yeah she's making peace with everybody and it's you know it's nice it's kind of like the ending of
1:48:49
groundhog day i guess that's kind of what they're going for it seems like each of these repeating the day over again movies responds to the previous
1:48:56
iteration yes i mean you kind of have to so cut to a lonely old man waiting alone at
1:49:02
a dinner table you've never seen him before but this is tree's dad and he looks like
1:49:08
he looks like an old baby it's hard to describe but he's got like a youthful face but
1:49:14
it's like it's been aged with like an aging gun or something he's an unusual looking actor to me
1:49:20
yeah i don't know if you got i can kind of see that so he's just glumly asking for the check
1:49:26
when the tree finally arrives she tells him she's done running from her problems and her grief and they and
1:49:33
they reconcile it's nice they have a nice little moment and you think oh well she's wrapping everything
1:49:38
up so things will be things will be good soon yeah we cut to around 9pm
1:49:45
she gears up and heads to the hospital fully invested in the idea that getting rid of
1:49:50
tombs will be the end of all of this so she surprises the guard watching tombs by putting a knife to his throat
1:49:56
it's pretty badass but also just sort of frightening yeah like did she practice this over a
1:50:02
couple of days first be like all right here's how i have to overpower the guard
1:50:08
yeah so i mean she gets them up on his feet she takes his gun orders him to go get help and he just goes along with it
1:50:13
he doesn't seem like a very good cop i'll say this man if only it was that easy to steal a
1:50:20
cop's gun this is a bad thing to say but i have had that impulse once or twice when i
1:50:27
when a cop has gone by you know because they have that stupid looking gun on a holster i mean it's got a little button
1:50:32
on it so you can't just grab it but especially as a kid i always have the impulse to just like grab the holes and be like haha
1:50:38
and then just give it back it does stick out it's like yeah like i'm so okay i
1:50:43
hate these i hate to use this phrasing but it's like they're asking for it
1:50:51
it's just right there for the taking tell me it's not
1:50:56
no okay if you're listening to this like take a look at your local police officer what they're like done hanging
1:51:02
out like that and tell me they're not tell me they don't they're not aware of
1:51:07
what that looks like come on come on yeah it's ridiculous
1:51:13
yeah so yeah so she goes to execute tombs but not before
1:51:19
she does not realize when she gets there that the safety on the gun is still on
1:51:24
so toombs knocks the gun out of her hands with a pillow spring yeah springs out of the the hospital bed
1:51:31
tombs pins her to a wall steals the knife out of her belt again a little amateur hour
1:51:37
yeah she needs him in the cajones he throws her into a glass fire hose
1:51:42
container tombs is about to go in for the coup de grace when the lights blink out something she
1:51:49
knew would happen she actually had the alarm on her watch so she knew exactly when the lights would go out that's
1:51:54
pretty cool so you know he's blinded for a second or not blinded she can't see for a second and suddenly she's gone she
1:52:00
pulls the batman yeah you know he turns around she's got the gun she shoots him three times and the gun is visibly empty
1:52:08
and he's dead they play triumphant music and uh you know and that's that yeah the
1:52:14
serial killer is dead and so tree lights her birthday cupcake
1:52:20
with carter and she blows it out her only wish is for tomorrow to come
1:52:26
that's all she wants is just for another day to pass and she blows out the candle
1:52:31
and she wakes up to the total of church bills no
1:52:39
oh this is so good it is a wonderful fake out because it really wraps up everything so nicely you're like well
1:52:45
she's made peace with her dad she's come to terms with her own self-loathing she's moved on as an
1:52:51
individual she's nicer to people she's got better focus and direction she's got a nice boy that she likes i guess
1:52:59
but no none of that matters you know apparently the the rules are not that it's more that
1:53:05
she just has to survive the day apparently i guess well i mean at this point you
1:53:11
don't really know that she died the night before but apparently she did so so she runs so she just runs to the
1:53:17
sorority and packs her bags lori the pre-med seems fairly unfazed by all of this and just offers tree the
1:53:23
birthday cake again birthday cupcake see i keep wanting to say birthday cake but it's birthday
1:53:28
cupcake is it the wee little thing so it's too small yeah
1:53:34
tree realizes the last thing she did was eat the cupcake before she fell asleep
1:53:40
so she accuses laurie of poisoning the cupcake she also framed tombs when she had
1:53:47
access to him at the hospital which is so scooby-doo to me like it all lines up
1:53:53
but i guess technically yeah i mean like they do something like it like kind of bothers me because like
1:53:59
it's obviously a very smart conclusion to reach but like how did she reach that conclusion i don't know well here's the
1:54:06
thing remember way back when i was talking about how the you know it was weird that laurie looked
1:54:11
at her driver's license and played with her phone and put on a different ringtone all of that sounds like a crazy person
1:54:18
to me and i feel like that might have been indication enough you know i'm glad that whoever wrote that in did because
1:54:24
that's nice it it both clears up problems with the story and also makes that
1:54:30
the pre-med just look like a crazy person yeah then like more in hindsight yeah
1:54:35
like she's like she was doing homework on her probably for quite a while that might explain why she was so determined
1:54:41
to kill her on the day of yeah so lori naturally denies it you're like
1:54:46
you're crazy what are you talking about so tree asks her to try the cupcake laurie refuses and so tree says okay
1:54:54
fine i'll bring it down to the police station and they'll tell me what's in here and that just more or less forces lori to attack tree before she can do
1:55:01
that yeah my question is why would you do this as as tree if you actually believe
1:55:08
that lori is the killer and you've already dealt with her killing you a whole bunch of times you know that she
1:55:14
can handle you and that you're not going to want to antagonize it what she should have done was just go
1:55:20
to the police right away and and make it seem like she doesn't know anything i mean would wouldn't you want to know
1:55:27
for sure though i guess and maybe you want to just know why and there certainly is that because uh lori
1:55:33
attacks tree and knocks her over tree's just not feeling good because of how many times she's died or at least i
1:55:38
assume that's why and so uh lori favors her with some villainous monologuing which i always
1:55:44
enjoy oh yeah she says she hates tree for being favored by dr gregory someone she
1:55:50
was also apparently sleeping with she also wants to kill tree for just being dumb
1:55:57
these are the two reasons she applied i guess why not i mean do you think that's enough
1:56:03
i guess i mean for someone like her yeah yeah i mean that's that's it it was just you
1:56:09
know you're sleeping with a guy i like and you're mean and stupid so you know i you know i'll say this
1:56:17
i've uh i've listened to enough true crime podcasts that yeah that is absolutely enough for
1:56:24
someone to uh kill someone else all right well
1:56:29
there's that i suppose so they wrestle around the bedroom tree stuffs the poison cupcake in her mouth and then uh
1:56:35
as as uh lori is trying to get it out of her mouth and throat
1:56:40
tree gets up on a hanging lamp and just gives a crazy two foot double kick and
1:56:45
just like hurls lorry out the window jurassic park three style no that was
1:56:51
two i think oh that was dead oh was it it was the lost world remember it because he had uh oh yeah
1:56:58
i remember this quite clearly because jeff goldblum's daughter kicks a velociraptor out of out of a
1:57:05
window and it's ridiculous i like it actually but yeah most people
1:57:10
take that as one of the things that ruined that movie for them uh it is awful
1:57:16
i don't know well that's not neither here nor there i mean like listen this is not a jurassic park podcast
1:57:23
yeah not yet so lori falls to her death right in front of the poor vietnamese sorority
1:57:29
sister i know he just runs away screaming i but that poor girl never did anything wrong
1:57:36
in her life well well i guess we don't know in the movie at any rate yeah and just to have her sorority
1:57:42
sister just die a horrible bloody death right in front of her yeah
1:57:47
i have terrible carter and tree are celebrating her survival in a cafe
1:57:53
he invites her to spend the night in his dorm since hers is a cordoned off crime scene
1:57:59
how romantic i guess it's technically true i suppose
1:58:04
so on that note of crime scenes i guess
1:58:09
how do you uh can you explain that one to the police uh which part do you mean
1:58:17
you know that he kicked her roommate out of a window yeah and stuffed a poison
1:58:24
cake in her mouth well you can prove that laurie
1:58:29
had made the cupcake you know there's probably evidence of that you know okay and there would probably be a way to
1:58:36
trace whatever she put into it if it's something dangerous and from the medical stuff that she was privy to there's
1:58:44
probably a record of when you take things out so unless you snuck it or i don't know she might have just used you
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know like a normal household item i mean that's what i would do if we're going into hypothetical murder scenarios
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anyway sure yeah yeah if either of us were to
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you know hypothetically
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i just think there'd be enough evidence to prove that she made the cupcake and also
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i'm not sure if there's anything else she did for sure but i think that's probably enough
1:59:16
because then you're like all right well listen she tried to give it to me i forced it down her throat and then i kicked her out the window
1:59:23
i guess but you know even if it's not a great explanation i don't think she tree would care that much at that point
1:59:29
what would the worst thing that would be that would happen to her she would just get kicked out of the sorority
1:59:35
convicted of killing whatever no this is like manslaughter at best i don't think it's happening
1:59:40
okay well okay you want to get convicted with manslaughter well no but i i don't
1:59:46
think it would even come to that i mean just the the fact that the pre-med was so determined to kill her seems to
1:59:52
indicate to me some sort of a a bad past there's probably evidence to help explain it you know when you look
1:59:59
into her past and whatever and danielle says it's because she didn't put makeup on
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i don't know if i'd go with that but in retrospect it does look weird because she also doesn't have eyebrows they're
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shaved off i guess that was just to make her look weird notice that i guess i never thought she was special
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no i know yeah she looks normal enough i almost thought it was refreshing just to have her not have makeup on her face
2:00:23
but then again it's a movie so it might be that she just has makeup but it's just you know it's made to look like she doesn't have makeup if that makes any
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sense yeah i know what you're talking about carter invites her to sleep over
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i was just curious like does he know tree that well in the current timeline yeah well whatever it doesn't matter
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she knows him well enough so i guess it's fine is she gonna explain it like hey
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this is how we feel about each other you need to get used to yeah this is when they mentioned the the
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movie groundhog day carter brings it up he's like have you ever heard of the movie groundhog day and the tree just says
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like oh i've never seen it he was like how could you have lived your life never having seen groundhog day it's got bill
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murray in it oh you mean the ghostbusters guy yeah well no she doesn't know who he is or
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maybe he says that it's something i don't know anyway yeah he's just horrified i'm not sure if i'm as big a fan of that
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thing that we have now where we get mad at people for not knowing something we like i mean i know there's no
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but like it's funny it is funny yeah so it you know the camera pans out on
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this kind of little joke and you think oh well it's over that's fun and then it goes back to her waking up to the sound
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of bells again oh no and so she so she she wakes up and it's just like what's
2:01:44
happening and then carter is just like and he starts to say this the same thing he says every day you know on the
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previous day just for him and he's like oh i'm just kidding it's the ninth it's the 19th it's tuesday the day has passed
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and you know and then they they wrestle and they kiss and just i was just thinking like
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if you believed even a part of what she told you would you really do this
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super cool bro um i would but i also like going too far on
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jokes there's a sticker on his door that they
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they go in on they pan into or zoom into at the end of this while they're playing the music for the credits he says today
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is the first day of the rest of your life which is pretty blah yeah
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the end credits are colorful and fun and you know that's it basically
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yeah there we go and that's the film apparently the
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and for real this time there will be no sequels except for the sequels
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oh yeah the film costs 4.8 million to make and earned a worldwide total of
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125 million so it was a astonishing success in that
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sense i think this is part of i mean this is something about horror films that people don't talk about a lot just
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as a business function they are highly effective oh yeah if you get a semi-decent horror film they cost almost
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nothing to make because they usually don't have big names in them and they don't have good production values
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generally yeah and so they're relatively inexpensive to make and they're really
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popular so i mean you can often make yeah like four or five times you know what what
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you spent just just getting it done and this would also explain why there
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are so many bad horror movies out there they don't have to be better in order to succeed apparently
2:03:38
that's true i saw was it the nun or whatever oh yeah it's part of that
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extended universe or whatever they call it yeah plum house yeah the one with the like the giant
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creepy nun who looks like the joker but yeah he's also on them well what'd you
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think uh about that movie i hated it what about uh
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what about uh happy day uh you know i'm not a huge fan of the beginning but
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like once it starts ramping up i think it's decent enough you know i don't i don't think it's like terribly
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outstanding but it also doesn't have huge gaping flaws in the movie or
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whatever make it yeah they make it hard to enjoy the looping aspect it's like it's not out
2:04:25
well enough yeah i'd recommend it okay plum house made this movie
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it's actually the third most successful movie after uh us and get out i believe it is or maybe it was split at the time
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i think this is before us came out and blumhouse also made that none movie you were talking about
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they're just cranking them out oh yeah absolutely this got 71 percent
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on rotten tomatoes which is pretty favorable honestly but that's mostly i think audience
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response because it only has 58 on metacritic that's not great
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i mean even that for like a horror movie yeah with this kind of a trashy premise
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you know like a college burnout girl getting killed by a slasher over and over again that's not bad
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no you want to do your rating for it or it can be mine first if you like uh wait
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what what i'm sorry what's the reading again we're gonna do this every opposite aren't we it's no one yeah and
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yeah maybe it's not clear enough for either of us actually i didn't remind myself when i
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was doing the doing the preparations for this so it's one to ten and it's based on
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i'm trying to think of how to phrase it it's like how effective it was it doing what it tried to do
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sure so how well it exceeded at its own goals
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maybe that's the way to play it i guess trying to put an emphasis on the functional aspects of horror movies if
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only because most horror movies are not critically very good you know in a traditional sense
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so i'm trying to lower it to a more functional bar if you know what i mean yeah i mean part of the problem is i
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feel like i keep rating these too high because i like i don't know if like if you're
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like gunned in my head say you know you want to attend what is this but like
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yeah what it's trying to go for i mean it literally achieved everything it was
2:06:28
going for didn't it well if it's a successful movie and the fact that it exists i guess that's a certain level of
2:06:35
competence but i think it you can also factor in things like you know how well an audience you know would respond to
2:06:41
this so you can factor in things like critical and audience response and that kind of stuff i guess i mean like
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personal feelings about the movie probably seven out of ten but i mean it's higher if we're talking about what
2:06:53
it achieved you know set out to achieve because it's set up to achieve a uh
2:06:58
slasher movie based around someone getting killed again again in a time loop and it did
2:07:04
all that really well yeah i suppose so but yeah i'd say 7 out of 10 is probably a fair
2:07:10
score i i mean like in that regard it's gotta be like a like a nine or something at least i mean what would you do better
2:07:16
with it you know what let's go with your other score yeah i think seven's probably i think that's what i'm saying is like
2:07:23
there's something wrong with this metric i think all right well we'll tinker with it
2:07:28
or you know or you can just go by whatever metric you like feel like the other thing is i don't want it to ever
2:07:34
be consistently too high or too low by whatever it is we choose you know which is to say there should be ones and there
2:07:40
should be nines and tens yeah we also i i guess that jesus that like
2:07:46
puts a lot of pressure on me to do some just some just absolute dog [ __ ] we're gonna
2:07:52
get to some bad movies but i'm going to try to space it out at least in my choices
2:07:58
for things that are at least interesting or notable one way or another i don't really want a dumpster dive right off the bat
2:08:05
sure but i feel like you're almost forcing me to pick the bye bye man
2:08:10
well listen if we hadn't done happy death day it probably would have been bye bye man so
2:08:15
we'll eventually get to that you know or maybe we can watch uh what's the guy's name no not tall man
2:08:22
the one without a face in the tentacles slenderman enderman or no slenderman slenderman
2:08:30
enderman's in minecraft yes slenderman's the one yeah not to be confused with psycho gore
2:08:36
man which is a uh a fun little movie we should maybe do that sometime
2:08:42
yeah that was very strange looking i just saw an ad for that on shutter after this movie they made a sequel in
2:08:49
2019. happy death day to you oh yeah and then after that a year after
2:08:55
that lonely island came out with palm springs which is essentially another groundhog day type movie
2:09:01
it's a romantic comedy where they're stuck in the same day it's a wedding you saw it yeah oh wow okay how'd you
2:09:09
like it uh yeah it's not great man no is it not yeah yeah no not very good
2:09:15
it's interesting because it actually has way better reviews than happy death day and i quite like happy death day or at
2:09:20
least i think i do i think he i think just going off of my feelings he
2:09:26
probably gets more credit because it's a comedy movie
2:09:31
yeah well that is part of it there's a big bias against horror films because they have such dark subject matter
2:09:37
well sure but also i think comedy movies like conversely get more credit than they deserve inside in
2:09:44
a lot of ways yeah or maybe just because of how bad some of those other lonely island films had been he was like wow
2:09:50
this one's not bad yeah this thing too is like you know it also has like famous faces attached to
2:09:56
it yeah i don't know i like this movie happy death day i mean
2:10:03
i like the twisting up of the genres between romantic comedy college humor and a self-aware slasher film it's all
2:10:10
pretty competently done and it's fun and it never outstays it's welcome
2:10:16
yeah it's not the best thing ever i wouldn't consider it like the best version of itself i guess that's kind of the way i think of this system so
2:10:23
it's not the absolute perfect version of this movie but it's pretty good i'll just give it um
2:10:29
i think i'll go with a six out of ten i think it's pretty good it's not like the best ever
2:10:35
i'm not going to rewatch it all the time but but i'm not mad at it also it is kind of funny because i mean i guess
2:10:40
that says something about the subjective nature of uh and a largely arbitrary one through 10
2:10:47
rating is yeah i rated the movie higher than you but like it less than you do
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well that's part of my problem is that i'm i'm incredibly strict and that's why i needed to change it
2:10:59
from a regular rating system because otherwise everything would be like twos you know one ones and twos feel like
2:11:06
it would be hard to differentiate you know be like well you know like if i was using like a four-star scale think of it
2:11:12
like okay well happy death date would be like one and a half stars like in a real thing i think
2:11:19
if you have you have like citizen kane or something well maybe i'll go with two yeah you
2:11:25
need to watch some like actually bad movies sometime if that's the case oh no i'd go well i go down to half a star or
2:11:31
zero stars but yeah okay first of all half of it have to start with some that's not
2:11:38
like okay i know you're making fractions yeah i already hate the idea of half a star but also zero star is a completely
2:11:46
new level of dislike yeah that is when you're like actively angry yeah
2:11:51
but then you like it has to be like like a movie so bad you had like
2:11:57
physically had to leave at some point i wish i had walked out of alien vs predator requiem that was the second one
2:12:05
yeah i don't know if you saw that but that was really bad but those things are subjective
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um one of the horror movies i hated the most wasn't even the worst movie but it just you know it'll have an emotional
2:12:17
reaction it was wish master iv i think it was
2:12:24
the prophecy fulfilled i hate that movie okay first of all you've got to be
2:12:30
talking about three because four is uh actually good i i could be wrong yeah i have my
2:12:36
numbers wrong i even own the whole series and i don't remember which one it is but it's one of the canadian made
2:12:41
ones and it's the one where the girl wishes that the the genie would fall in love with her
2:12:46
i hate
2:12:53
there's this great scene where like the the genies of chaos are talking to the wish master guy and they're like you
2:12:58
love her don't you and i'm just like you've ruined this franchise forever it's like just
2:13:04
changing the main character you know like having freddy krueger like try to fall in love with a girl or something you know what i mean like it's so weird
2:13:11
and wrong oh wait is it uh is the one where they there's like one
2:13:16
of them where for three of those movies they have that uh it was an andrew devos guy yeah i know he's great and he wasn't
2:13:23
in this one no okay it's yeah it's literally the one where he isn't in it
2:13:29
is the shitty one i am all three of the other ones where he's in it
2:13:35
mostly because of him yeah it's uh wish master the prophecy fulfilled he came out in 2002 i just
2:13:42
looked at it it's the fourth one and yeah that's oh okay it's not even the here's the thing that's what i was trying to get
2:13:48
back to before not even the worst horror movie ever not even close but it for me
2:13:53
like that is the angriest i've been walking out of a well i didn't walk out of a theater i didn't see it in theaters but you know
2:13:59
walking away from the viewing experience i was just like man i hate this movie
2:14:06
yeah and i do think we need to get to that i actually do i i'm gonna save her occasionally having us going through a
2:14:13
real bad movie oh but i don't want to be doing it all the time so you know let's try to mix it
2:14:18
up between different styles and different quality levels you know yeah
2:14:24
i got my own some things all right then yeah oh yeah that's right i think you're
2:14:30
choosing the next one yeah but we'll discuss that outside of the podcast so that we don't don't have to organize
2:14:35
ourselves yeah oh wait i feel like we're just about done right
2:14:41
we're approaching there's one more thing i need to do but then yeah that'll be all right well what's up oh yeah well uh
2:14:48
we haven't done the imdb keyword game yet oh wait okay for before we do that then
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okay i didn't i didn't watch the alternate ending oh i forgot about that yeah i'm so glad you reminded me
2:15:01
uh okay yeah so we should do that all right
2:15:07
excuse me what are you doing it's for the pain oh the doctor said no pain medication
2:15:12
not your pain teresa mine
2:15:21
did you really think you'd get away with screwing my husband you've got to be kidding me
2:15:37
oh my god
2:15:43
it's the lady being cheated on yep
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yeah okay hey i guess i can see how you would lead
2:15:55
into a sequel through that but jesus
2:16:00
no thanks i was not thinking that that was a sequel i thought that was just ending it forever
2:16:06
like well she died a different way so now she can never come back i yeah i don't know well i mean i don't
2:16:11
know i feel like that's that's i guess that's more of a bummer yeah well that's what i was thinking i
2:16:17
was just like man what a horrible ending that would have been i mean you know the doctor's wife is just like
2:16:24
you were cheating on my with my husband and so i'm gonna kill you rather than be mad at my husband
2:16:29
yeah apparently this was the original ending and they showed it to focus groups and
2:16:35
they said that it was not a good ending so thank god for that i would agree with that even though i
2:16:41
don't usually agree with or i guess i wouldn't even say maybe i don't usually agree with focus groups but like there
2:16:46
are some there are some good examples of focus groups flip it up movies
2:16:52
yeah oh yeah also originally in my earlier drafts of the script laurie and dr gregory were murdering people
2:16:58
together as an evil couple oh yeah yeah yeah that's boring so i i yeah dr
2:17:06
gregory is a lot funnier as just uh someone who could have been the killer yeah i think
2:17:12
looking at that like the movie's finances exactly
2:17:18
okay so there was 397 keywords and phrases for
2:17:23
this movie i'm not going to be listening all that of course i'm just doing that
2:17:29
but i'm just thinking like that is a lot for for this sort of a film i just i don't know why exactly some are generated and
2:17:36
some are not but you know whatever so uh here's the top 20 for happy death day
2:17:43
hit me stabbed to death yeah yeah suppose so
2:17:50
trapped in time loop yeah i mean yeah yeah time time loop so
2:17:56
it just says it again sure slasher flick
2:18:01
yep parking garage i mean there is one in one scene
2:18:06
ugly specific but sure yeah college campus
2:18:12
sorority house yeah baby mask that's pretty good
2:18:18
yeah wait how many babies no it's not even no we're not
2:18:25
there's a fair amount of baby masks oh you mean in other movies i don't know yeah
2:18:30
watching gay porn i'm glad that's up there yeah farting
2:18:38
that's good that does happen once yeah i mean no but it's a good fart i mean
2:18:43
i'm i think that's worth mentioning you know no comment but all right
2:18:49
suicide by hanging yeah cleavage
2:18:55
yeah i guess i don't actually remember there being any but you know whatever the uh
2:19:00
the yoga outfit oh yeah well i guess if you're looking i suppose
2:19:06
okay i thought it was oh no i just meant like whoever wrote this it just i think
2:19:12
this this whole little section that's about to come up is a little sleazy so i'm just going to go through them quick
2:19:17
all right mini skirt short skirt invisible midriff
2:19:23
and mini skirt with heels these people know what they like
2:19:30
well you know if you're looking for certain things out of films this is the way to go i yeah
2:19:35
public nudity so yeah that's fair twist ending
2:19:41
is it a twist yeah i guess it is a twist yeah birthday
2:19:47
yeah and a masked killer so uh there you go yeah
2:19:52
those all seem like they make sense some are a little harder than others but yeah
2:20:00
sure yeah i wonder if it got into like a less weird part of it if i'd gone deeper but
2:20:06
i ain't going deeper in 20 it would just take forever no that's no that's good you ever hear
2:20:11
those podcasts where they like list off patreon supporters and it goes on for like 20 minutes
2:20:17
yeah no thanks i'm sorry i i got to
2:20:22
i don't have stuff to do but i don't want to listen to it i don't know i think if someone was giving me money i'd probably do it
2:20:28
you'd be amazing what you would do for you know for a little bank sure
2:20:36
um so yeah that's basically it i think for this yeah yeah that was uh i think that was good i
2:20:43
think it's an enjoyable experience i i'd recommend it to other people it's relatively competent it's a good uh
2:20:50
baby's first horror film i would say you know because it's not it's not too harsh it's not too scary
2:20:56
it's it's a good one for people who have a low tolerance because it's spooky but it's not too spooky
2:21:02
yeah it's clever it's a good good way of looking at it at least relatively clever i just think it's interesting that it's
2:21:09
it's from the perspective of a not terribly nice person who has to kind of grow i found that really interesting
2:21:16
yeah because for the first half of this movie i hated tree you know but then as she grew well i
2:21:23
don't know if i ever got to the point where like i super liked her but you at least get to the point where you find her interesting and compelling like oh i
2:21:29
wouldn't mind hearing more about her yeah i'll probably go check out the uh the
2:21:34
sequel at some point yeah i would agree with that yeah that sounds like uh something we'll do in a future
2:21:41
episode even absolutely unless you got any parting thoughts i think this is about it
2:21:47
uh yeah i think we're i think we're done here wait what's your dog's name again
2:21:52
uh clover oh yeah now thank you for introducing clover into our lives she felt asleep so i know yeah yeah it was a
2:21:59
wonderful gift to me in my editing later well i'll enjoy that
2:22:05
okay so until next time everybody out there i've been peter
2:22:12
i have been jacob and this is gorman angor later
2:22:38
and is that chocolate milk i see i miss breakfast what is breakfast becky
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